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Marines, civilian police officers conduct urban training exercise(What Posse Comitatus?)
WNCT Channel 9, North Carolina ^ | August 23, 2012 | Tony Rawlings

Posted on 08/28/2012 5:22:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee

CAMP LEJEUNE, N.C. - Training at Camp Lejeune Thursday looked and felt real -- and that was the point. Law officers and marines from across the country ended their training with a bang.

Thursday was the final day of exercises for law enforcement and marines who have gone through special reaction team training at Camp Lejeune for the past three weeks. In the final exercise, teams were presented with a series of real life scenarios as well as hands on instruction to handle them correctly.

Brian Dye, Operations Chief of I&I in Lexington, Kentucky says training civilians as a blended force with Marine Corps personnel eases the transition into a real world scenario.

"I think it's always good when you get an opportunity to work on some similar tactics and procedures so that everybody's kind of operating on the same page. That way when you bring teams together from active duty and the civilian side, it makes the integration a whole lot smoother."

The tactics trainees take away from this course just may help save lives. This three week SRT training course is phase one for law enforcement and Marine Corps personnel. Phase two will focus on sniper and designated marksmanship training.


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KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; bloodoftyrants; cw2; cwiiping; donttreadonme; donutwatch; lping; militarizedpolice; military; paramilitary; paramilitarypolice; policestate; snipers; tyranny; waronliberty
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To: MileHi

Well troll, you seemed determined to hijack the thread with some kind of drug addled fixation, I must have hurt you very badly somewhere, on some thread about drugs.


101 posted on 08/28/2012 8:52:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Repeat Offender

“men better than yourself that voluntarily put themselves in harm’s way on your behalf.”

Listen, blowhard, we all know how narcissistic the Gen Y crowd is and how we have to pat them on the head and tell them what a great job they did not pissing on their hands when they took a leak, but try not to hyperventilate and understand that you’re talking to men that were solving the world’s problems long before your discovered your own dick.


102 posted on 08/28/2012 8:53:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: MileHi
Then we agree far more than we don't. And I am damn glad about that. Thanks for staying with this exchange. FReegards. Stay safe.

Thank you and well wishes to you and yours the same.

103 posted on 08/28/2012 8:55:38 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: ansel12
That is one of the stupidest replies I have read in years.

Go away.

104 posted on 08/28/2012 8:57:08 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: CodeToad
Listen, blowhard, we all know how narcissistic the Gen Y crowd is and how we have to pat them on the head and tell them what a great job they did not pissing on their hands when they took a leak, but try not to hyperventilate and understand that you’re talking to men that were solving the world’s problems long before your discovered your own dick.

Lucky me, I'm not from Gen Y. And if you were so great at solving the world's problems I guess we still wouldn't have those same problems as Iraq and Afghanistan were problems well before I stepped on the scene. But your welcome for "clean up on aisle 6."

105 posted on 08/28/2012 8:59:03 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Repeat Offender
I didn't know he was a SEAL; however, if I were to start loud mouthing and saying the SEALS ... I would certainly hope he (or any other SEAL) would put me in check and explain why they are doing what they are doing

Well the same goes for longtime FReepers, particularly ones as respected as Travis. Trash-talking him is not going to win you any friends around here.

Polite disagreement would have got you a much more fraternal response.

106 posted on 08/28/2012 8:59:12 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: papertyger
You are definitely out there, sir. I'll ignore your insults to me and to women, but thank you to capitalize the M in Marine.

Generations have fought for you and yours, as well as your right to desecrate the keyboard with dysfunctional speech.

But if you cannot, its understood, if not already presumed.

Respond if you like...time to hit the rack for me...

Good night, Chesty - Wherever you are!

107 posted on 08/28/2012 9:01:30 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: Travis McGee; skinkinthegrass
Brian Dye, Operations Chief of I&I in Lexington, Kentucky says training civilians as a blended force with Marine Corps personnel eases the transition into a real world scenario.

wtf is I&I and just how the hell do they get this kind of coordination from the USMC ???

seems all the brass are steering the ship to a domestic purpose...

108 posted on 08/28/2012 9:01:45 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: yarddog

Ah yes, Phenix City....

Where Patton allegedly drove a tank through the bars and “cat houses” because the vice lords of Phenix City were preying on Patton’s troops.


109 posted on 08/28/2012 9:02:02 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: Travis McGee
IIRC I think (not sure) the Constitution expressly allows the use of "naval infantry" in home soil operations. Back when it was (Constitution) ratified that would mean the marines. Not sure if POSSE COMITATUS changed that verbiage.
110 posted on 08/28/2012 9:04:10 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: IrishPennant
but thank you to capitalize the M in Marine.

See that, subtlety isn't *completely* wasted on you....

111 posted on 08/28/2012 9:10:21 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Repeat Offender; DuncanWaring; Travis McGee
They are talking about Marines working with civilian law enforcement in training.

LAPD did that years ago, when they were developing/organizing some of the first swat teams. How did that work out?

From coast to coast, we now have swat teams being developed on police departments in small rural towns, from Hacksaw Arkansas to Maine. Hundreds of documented cases from all over the U.S. have shown time and time again the reckless manner in which these teams go into neighborhoods playing military soldiers, as if these targets are mass murdering international terrorist. This is bull sh*t.

SWAT was intended for dangerous hostage situations, and extremely violent people who've already killed etc.

Now? It's used for every GD law violation imaginable, from simple outstanding warrants to pot gardens. In the U.S. law enforcement agencies have spent hundred of billions in military hardware, vehicles, military training tactics, etc.

Those capable of critical thought understand this is bullshit and should have never been allowed to escalate to this point.

112 posted on 08/28/2012 9:15:05 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Hear, hear!


113 posted on 08/28/2012 9:17:39 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: DoughtyOne

Maybe those with the intelligence that is classified know of plans by the immigrants, not the citizens. There are lots of “foreign”, private schools in philly. You just have to know where to go for the info.


114 posted on 08/28/2012 9:21:33 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: dragnet2
Those capable of critical thought understand this is bullshit and should have never been allowed to escalate to this point.

I agree with you completely, but that doesn't mean that there isn't still a need for SWAT and we should get rid of it altogether. Get rid of town/local/state police and let the county sheriffs do their job. If they have a SWAT team and said SWAT team goes in and shoots someone's dog, or violates someone's rights - then take those at fault, to include the leadership, and charge them, convict them, and lock them up. If they're guilty of murder - fry them.

But, a reservist MP company training with police is not a violation of Posse Comitatus.

Hell the Interstate Commerce Clause was to keep states from charging each other tariffs and look what they get away with under that guise......it is long past time to put an end to the nonsense all the way around; killing strawmen isn't going to accomplish that.

115 posted on 08/28/2012 9:24:41 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: DuncanWaring

IMHO you gotta be careful using the Bonus March as an example of violation of Posse Commitatus.

The Federal District of Washington D.C. is just what it says, under federal control exclusively, and that’s where the Bonus Army camped out & set up their shantytown.

Douglas MacArthur surely overreacted using Renault tanks (p***ant little vehicles to any real tanker) to bulldoze the shanties of the poor desperate Bonus marchers. But notice how little this action affected the memory of the general who later said, “I shall return”.

What’s never ever mentioned in the accounts of the Bonus March is that they got exactly what they wanted: the WW1 vets’ bonus was paid ten years ahead of what the original legislation provided, in 1935 instead of 1945. FWIW my grandfather received his $600 bonus & used it to buy the house he had been renting, owned it free & clear by 1940.

Also, commemorating the Bonus Army is the stuff of Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, Peter Paul & Mary, and other lefty folkies. No offense, just having fun here because I’m old enough to remember all their shenanigans.

;^)


116 posted on 08/28/2012 9:27:04 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: Repeat Offender
But, a reservist MP company training with police is not a violation of Posse Comitatus.

The biggest baddest military in the world is not capable of training their own military MPs after multiple wars and police actions all over the planet, for that past several hundred years?

Come on.

Civilian law enforcement and the military should be totally 100 percent separated, except for sharing intelligence/information if need be. Both are quite capable of training their own people.

117 posted on 08/28/2012 9:30:55 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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...friggin' Navy pukes the lot of 'em...too much water in their ears to read anything right...argue argue argue then rag about who started the argument.


RLTW
118 posted on 08/28/2012 9:35:01 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Repeat Offender
If they have a SWAT team and said SWAT team goes in and shoots someone's dog, or violates someone's rights - then take those at fault, to include the leadership, and charge them, convict them, and lock them up. If they're guilty of murder - fry them.

That sentiment would be much easier to agree with if things actually happened that way.

As is, there's damn little they do for which an ulterior motive is not utterly plausible.

119 posted on 08/28/2012 9:35:04 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: 2CAVTrooper
Where Patton allegedly drove a tank through the bars and “cat houses” because the vice lords of Phenix City were preying on Patton’s troops.

There was a bar in Germany that received similar treatment from the Airborne sometime after WWII.

It used to be a common tale 40+ years ago.

120 posted on 08/28/2012 9:39:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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