Posted on 08/14/2012 2:21:29 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
Forget about whether he should be elected vice president. Should Rep. Paul D. Ryan be excommunicated?
I have been perusing blogs and comments thereon that suggest the prospective Republican veep candidate is not only a bad man but also a bad Catholic. It’s the latest installment of a tiresome debate between liberal and conservative Catholics about which faction’s favored politicians are truer to the teachings of Mother Church.
As columnist Michael Sean Winters points out, Ryan’s claim that his political philosophy is conversant with Roman Catholic social teaching is hard to swallow.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
Whether he is good or bad is between he and the church.
joe biteme has already excommunicated himself by his support for abortion which the Catholic Church teaches is a mortal sin.
I guarantee that Paul Ryan is a far better Catholic than either Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden. Let’s start with them first...
Considering the same people who make this accusation about Ryan support pro Abortion on demand politicians like Biden and Obama, it pretty clear who the BAD Catholics are here.
Guess the Liberal Catholics missed the part about caring for the poor being a personal, not Government imposed, responsibility.
So now the liberals want a religious test???
Whenever I hear someone claim to be or to have been “perusing”, the pomposity just blanks out everything.
Sorry.
NOT!!! How blatant in their hypocritical lefty bias could the LA Slimes be?
Liberal Catholics are apostates who have embraced the social gospel of liberation theology or Christian socialism. This gospel has very little to do with salvation, redemption and what God can do through your life but what you can do to make the world a better place through feel good activities. The final fruits of liberation theology is the powerless, useless faith that St. Paul prophesies about in II Timothy 3. They are no competent judge on anything.
Amb-ASS-ador Kennedy, JFK, Dead Ted, Nancy Bimbosi.
You want Catholics in h*ll (or going there), you might look their way.
Nice try, LAT.
Shove it up your collective smelly Obamas.
If this is all they've got, Obama's going to lose.
And tomorrow’s LAT: “Is Obama a bad Christian?”
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Actually....
Is Barack Obama a GOOD MUSLIM?
I missed the previous articles in this series by the TIMES.
Is Pelosi a bad catholic?
Is kennedy a bad catholic?
Is -———— (fill in the blank) a bad catholic?
Neo-Pelagianism.
Do these people really expect us to believe God has an opinion on whether the top Marginal Rate for Income Tax in the United States should be 36% or 39%?
They are arguing against their straw man version of Ryan that wants to throw Granny off a cliff. Nobody wants to do that. Well, Ryan certainly doesnt. The Obamacare Death Panel may be another matter...
Exactly!
A rather dull-headed column, equating opposition to abortion and homosexual marriage to support for certain kinds of social spending.
I’m not a Roman Catholic, but I know that even the most socialist-minded Bishop does not equate opposition to homicide of babies or sodomy as morally equal to certain strategies for helping the poor.
Do Ryan or other conservative Roman Catholics (or any other conservatives in the USA) support ignoring and starving the poor, a la a Caste-system in India? NO.
Opposition to government-led socialist solutions (really aggravations...) to poverty does not make one a hater of the poor.
The “Great Society” has not exactly been a smashing success, and if Democrat social spending drives the US gov. broke—now THAT really will hurt the poor, and all of us.
Further evidence that liberals are both stupid and evil:
“[Michael Sean] Winters nicely deconstructs, in both senses of the word, Ryan’s assertion that his opposition to federal social spending reflects the Catholic doctrine of ‘subsidiarity’ — the notion that issues should be resolved ‘at the level of social organization closest to the individual.’ Problem is, Winters writes, Ryan is not advocating innovative anti-poverty programs at the local level.”
If you understand subsidiarity, you understand that IT ISN’T THE JOB OR THE PLACE of a Representative to the FEDERAL Congress to figure out “innovative anti-poverty programs at the local level.”
That’s kinda the whole point of the teaching.
Catholics are a billion of the world’s population and unfortunately, included in that number are many, including clergy, who think that social programs are synonymous with Christian charity. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Real Christian charity means giving of yourself and/or your time and money, in order to help the less fortunate. It does not mean that money confiscated from you by a government is a suitable substitute for giving. That is the problem with liberal Catholics, and they are being challenged every day by those who really do give of themselves. The same is true with non-Catholics or anyone else. Funny, Christians of all stripes give more to charity than any other group that I know of.
That has always bugged me. Is is NOT between Ryan and the church, it is between Ryan and the Almighty."
I used to work with a woman who claimed to be "a good catholic". I asked "don't you mean a good Christian?"
This occurred while she was talking about going to see a psychic to "speak" with her dead relatives.
I asked her if she read the Bible. She replied she did, on a daily basis.
I then went home, looked up the passages about turning to those whom "speak to the dead", fortune tellers, the dead are aware of nothing, etc". I then gave them to her for her to read.
Didn't stop her from going.
Christianity has many different sects. It is the individual that decides for him or herself to be a good one....as "good" as man can be, which is FAR from perfect.
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