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Shoot First, Claim Self-Defense Later
The Loyal Opposition ^ | March 20, 2012 | andrew rosenthal

Posted on 03/20/2012 1:25:45 PM PDT by Fawn

In late February, 28-year-old George Zimmerman called 911 to report that a “real suspicious guy” was walking down the street in Sanford, Fla. He decided to follow the “suspicious guy,” and later that night Mr. Zimmerman shot and killed him with a 9 mm handgun. The “suspicious guy” was a black 17-year-old named Trayvon Martin. He was unarmed, carrying only a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea.

(Excerpt) Read more at loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; standyourground; trayvonmartin
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1 posted on 03/20/2012 1:25:57 PM PDT by Fawn
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To: Fawn

I’ve heard the tapes — the shooter’s 9/11 call and other neighbors.

It is hard not to come to the conclusion this Zimmerman guy (a Latino btw) shot the victim for WWB (walking while black).

Anyone heard the tapes and come to any other conclusion?


2 posted on 03/20/2012 1:33:25 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Fawn

I believe it is best to withhold judgment on this until we know all the facts. Too many wanting blood from the race card players to jump to conclusions.

I do have to say that with Al Sharpton and others jumping on the “hang the white guy” bandwagon (he was Hispanic actually), I am inclined to think that the cry from Holders people is just to prove they have power over everyone else.

While I don’t believe that the “kid” should have been shot, I also think that he should have stopped and talked with Zimmerman to see what he was wanting instead of running, hiding, trying to cover his face with his hoodie and then fighting with the shooter. Those are, in my opinion, actions of a person who should be checked out. And under Florida’s “stand your ground” laws, would make his actions and the resulting fight after the chase, seem justified under the wording of the law.

But that’s my opinion and not based on the evidence that others are more privy to than I am.


3 posted on 03/20/2012 1:35:43 PM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: freedumb2003

I started out skeptical, but after hearing the tapes and interviews with neighbors, I think Zimmerman went out looking for a fight, started one, and shot the kid in cold blood. His crimes will be used to dilute Florida’s excellent self-defense laws and hurt law-abiding gun owners everywhere.


4 posted on 03/20/2012 1:39:15 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Jack Burton007
While I don’t believe that the “kid” should have been shot, I also think that he should have stopped and talked with Zimmerman to see what he was wanting instead of running, hiding, trying to cover his face with his hoodie and then fighting with the shooter. Those are, in my opinion, actions of a person who should be checked out.

If someone is being followed, they should stop and talk to the person following them? And if they don't, if they instead run away, hide their face, and fight with the guy who is following them, those are "actions of a person who should be checked out"?

5 posted on 03/20/2012 1:41:01 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: freedumb2003

Your conclusion seems fair with what is reported. The lynch mob mentality encouraged tacitly by the DOJ is not productive legally but politically fits with the O. The case is going to the grand jury. Thus far, the locals seem to be moving appropriatly. It’s a sad situation all around and I understand the boy’s family being angry and frustrated.


6 posted on 03/20/2012 1:43:33 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Jack Burton007

“he was Hispanic actually”

Proof please.


7 posted on 03/20/2012 1:47:42 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Bryanw92
His crimes will be used to dilute Florida’s excellent self-defense laws and hurt law-abiding gun owners everywhere.

Though that's often the case elsewhere, the current climate in Florida is such that anti-gun votes = unemployed politicians.

8 posted on 03/20/2012 1:48:01 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Jack Burton007

>> And under Florida’s “stand your ground” laws, would make his actions and the resulting fight after the chase, seem justified under the wording of the law.

The “Stand your ground” law is not for the person who initiates the contact, especially premeditated contact like Zimmerman who drove up to the kid. This wasn’t two guys bumping into each other and one getting angry. SYG isn’t a license to start a fight and then kill the guy when he fights back.


9 posted on 03/20/2012 1:49:23 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Fawn
Stand Your Ground laws, otherwise known as Shoot First laws

This guy pursued the kid outside his home. It has nothing to do with stand your ground law AKA castle law. Typical Gun Grabber Libtard from the New York Slimes.

10 posted on 03/20/2012 1:50:22 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Fawn
The problem here is that Zimmerman is being found guilty by the media even before the crime has been fully investigated. Also the media is using this incident as reasoning for more gun laws and that the average white(Latino) American are racists. This fits with what the Obamanation is building up to for the coming election.
I know that there will be armed black thugs at the polling
centers. Their reasoning is that they must protect the blacks from the evil white people.
We are witnessing the manufactured beginning of that race war that a certain leader wants so much.
11 posted on 03/20/2012 1:52:07 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: AppyPappy

His family thinks he is.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/03/20/feds-to-investigate-killing-black-florida-teen-by-latino-man/


12 posted on 03/20/2012 1:52:29 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Jack Burton007

So, you have a guy, with no recognizable uniform and gun drawn, come up to you and order you on the ground and put up your hands,...,good luck with your conversation. :)


13 posted on 03/20/2012 1:53:18 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Stand your ground is not exactly the same as the Castle Doctrine. Castle doctrine means you don't have to retreat within your own home before using deadly force. Stand your ground extends that principle outside the home.
14 posted on 03/20/2012 1:53:35 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Clint N. Suhks

>>It has nothing to do with stand your ground law AKA castle law.

Castle doctine is different from Stand Your Ground. Fortunately, we have both in Florida. I don’t think either applies to Zimmerman’s actions.


15 posted on 03/20/2012 1:55:20 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Jack Burton007
I also think that he should have stopped and talked with Zimmerman to see what he was wanting instead of running, hiding, trying to cover his face with his hoodie and then fighting with the shooter. Those are, in my opinion, actions of a person who should be checked out.

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About the most stupid post ever.....

Tell your own kids who are out walking after dark (or any time) that they should stop and talk to any grown man who wants them to....

Effin stupid.

16 posted on 03/20/2012 1:59:27 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Fawn

Ironic how that blog criticizes FoxNews for “identifying the real victim as the NRA.” Then the same blog goes on to identify the real culprit as “weak gun laws”. In reality, the real culprit would be the person who committed the crime.


17 posted on 03/20/2012 2:01:10 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: freedumb2003

I heard them. He struck me as a Barney Fife type SWAT wannbe-a-hero guy. The dispatcher told him NOT to do everything that he eventually did...........


18 posted on 03/20/2012 2:03:35 PM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: Jonty30
There's evidence that his gun was drawn?

There are reports of them fighting. Pretty badass of a teen to try and fight a man with a gun.

20 posted on 03/20/2012 2:06:21 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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