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MILTARY: Marine Corps Knew It Faced Long Odds in Wuterich Prosecution (Haditha)
North County Times ^ | January 28, 2012 | Mark Walker

Posted on 01/28/2012 10:05:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard

For years, the Marine Corps knew its chances of winning a homicide conviction against Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich in the slayings of two dozen Iraqi civilians were dicey.

Wuterich, 31, agreed Monday to plead guilty to dereliction of duty in the 2005 incident that sparked worldwide outrage. And that outcome was all the Marine Corps was ever likely to get, the service was told more than four years ago.

That opinion came from Lt. Col. Paul Ware, an experienced Marine Corps prosecutor and judge who presided as the investigative officer over hearings for Wuterich and two members of his Camp Pendleton squad.

The fact that the prosecution ultimately agreed to a plea of negligent dereliction of duty still leaves many scratching their heads: How did the Marine Corps ---- which originally charged Wuterich and three other enlisted men with murder, and four battalion officers with crimes tied to failing to investigate the incident ---- achieve only one minor conviction?

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: haditha
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1 posted on 01/28/2012 10:06:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; bigheadfred; ..

(( ping ))

This article by Mark Walker contains some pretty amazing stuff I never read before.
Some of it really surprised me.


2 posted on 01/28/2012 10:08:59 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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"No trier of fact can conclude that Staff Sgt. Wuterich formed the criminal intent to kill," Ware wrote in his October 2007 report. "The evidence is contradictory, the forensic analysis is limited and almost all witnesses have an obvious bias or prejudice."

Ware went on to write that he believed prosecutors "will fail to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Staff Sgt. Wuterich committed any offenses other than dereliction of duty."

October 2007... They knew all this over FOUR FREAKING YEARS AGO??

3 posted on 01/28/2012 10:12:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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Then the SOBs should not have pursured the case created by a reporter. This is an outrage that they send investigators to look for witnesses in that neighborhood where the fight occurred.
And low-life Bush owed these men a pardon the minute it happened. He would have been happy to throw them in a cell beside Ramos and Campeon.

The establishment in our government has repeatedly broken faith with the men it sends to fight.


4 posted on 01/28/2012 10:15:09 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Lancey Howard
I am most definitely "scratching my head":

Neal Puckett, Wuterich's lead attorney, said Thursday that the defense drew up papers two years ago that would have had his client pleading guilty to negligent dereliction of duty. They offered to do so again last year, he said.

Puckett said prosecutors rejected the offer because they wanted Wuterich to plead guilty to willful dereliction, which carries a longer jail sentence and would have required an admission that he purposely ignored his responsibilities.

5 posted on 01/28/2012 10:18:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: DesertRhino
The establishment in our government has repeatedly broken faith with the men it sends to fight.

Yep.

6 posted on 01/28/2012 10:19:28 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Bethesda Naval Hospital killed off the ‘Rat Murtha who betrayed his fellow Marines...now the SecNav has announced a new ship is going to be named after the scum...unindicted ABSCAM co-conspirator, corrupt politician, traitor to his country. The leftists continue to make the perverted appear normal.
7 posted on 01/28/2012 10:20:38 PM PST by twister881
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To: RedRover

I thought I read somewhere that only the prosecution was allowed to approach with a “deal”?


8 posted on 01/28/2012 10:22:02 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Many military men learn that the Government will accept your death. This is a crazy feeling when you understand this in a very personal. and not just an abstract way.

But killing and imprisoning them just to advance partisan political objectives, or to posture for the news is criminal.
Dems and Repub leaders have broken faith with our men. It is not one isolated incident, it is a long, deliberate, pattern of abuse.


9 posted on 01/28/2012 10:22:23 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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Yes it is, and I can tell you that is exactly why so many combat veterans support Ron Paul.


10 posted on 01/28/2012 10:24:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
MILTARY: Marine Corps Knew It Faced Long Odds in Wuterich Perosecution (Haditha)

Typo corrected.

11 posted on 01/28/2012 10:26:34 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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It appears to me that the only error Sgt. Wuterich committed was the non PC choice of wording in his orders, and that is attributable to inexperience.

This was a brass hat farce from the beginning.

12 posted on 01/28/2012 10:28:35 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: DesertRhino
that outcome was all the Marine Corps was ever likely to get, the service was told more than four years ago

So they knew they had NO case, but like all criminal justice (Duke rape case anyone?) the pursued the charges, tied up a mans life, and possibly ruined it for NO reason!

Just like everything the government does, they have no good or beneficial reason to continue. However, they do it because they can with no productive reason or outcome to required. After all they are doing it on our dime and will get their raises, benefits, and retirements no matter what the outcome is!

This really infuriates me as it is a supreme example of government in action.
No results needed nor required, and just strung out to keep government workers employed.. on NOTHING!. Completely unreal!
Twilight zone episode, or bad dream. My prayers for all the FALSELY accused in this case!!
13 posted on 01/28/2012 10:29:40 PM PST by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Lancey Howard

>> Neal Puckett, Wuterich’s lead attorney, said Thursday that the defense drew up papers two years ago...

That is certainly a revelation.

Between endless resources and political zealotry, I guess it’s no surprise those papers were never put into play with the prosecution.


14 posted on 01/28/2012 10:37:36 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Probably a sound point about Paul, there are a lot of vets who support him.
Everyone knows they might die for a military objective. But today, a soldier, marine, or USBP man 30 miles from nowhere on the desert gets in a firefight,,
The government swings viciously into action to imprison you, by getting witness statements from Iraqis who live with the insurgents, or from cartel members given green cards.

This is creating an environment where men armed by our government cannot just do their duty, knowing the government would go to big lengths to protect them. Now they must also do their duty AND make sure they can survive the attack from behind as well.

It’s a disgrace.


15 posted on 01/28/2012 10:37:58 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Gene Eric
That is certainly a revelation.

Yes. It changes the way I am viewing the conclusion of this mess... I'm still processing this.

16 posted on 01/28/2012 10:53:17 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Nothing is worse in our legal system than a malicious prosecutor. Nothing.


17 posted on 01/28/2012 10:54:01 PM PST by Psalm 144
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To: Lancey Howard

“I thought I read somewhere that only the prosecution was allowed to approach with a “deal”?”

Not familiar with UCMJ protocols, but in the civilian world the defense seeks deals all the time. It is a bargaining process usually. I hate deals. Tee it up.


18 posted on 01/28/2012 10:57:01 PM PST by Psalm 144
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To: Psalm 144
Nothing is worse in our legal system than a malicious prosecutor. Nothing.

Except a malicious military prosecutor, pushed by a cowardly panty-waist Pentagon, who goes after a combat veteran who did as he was trained and responded to a buddy getting blown to pieces in an ambush right before his eyes.

19 posted on 01/28/2012 10:57:24 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

That falls under the same setting. Do not doubt civilian counterparts can be just as destructive. Look at the vile career of Janet Reno as an example.

I am amazed that anyone is willing to serve this corrupt government however. No nation will survive when it grinds down its own defenders. Alter or abolish the pustule on the Potomac!


20 posted on 01/28/2012 11:01:57 PM PST by Psalm 144
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