Posted on 12/04/2011 8:43:32 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
Newt was leader. He knew better than to make a nuclear strike that would be ineffective. Coburn did not.
Conservatives, especially radical conservatives never learn the lesson.
Politics is the art of the possible
Sounds like the age old debate between pragmatism and principle. Seeing that we ended up where we did, I would rather have had a lot more Molotov Cocktails thrown back in 1994. Could it have made things worse? How?
When Coburn was running for Senate, he said that as a heart surgeon, "he was just the kind of man needed to cut out that liberal bleeding heart in Washington."
I liked what he said then, and I like it still today.
If you value pragmatism above principle, Keyes is not your man anyways. No doubt Romney would fit the “Win Elections” requirement better for you.”
I value dumping that Marxist bastard in the White House out on the sidewalk.
“What motivates you to make such ugly insinuations regarding that good man?”
She made a VERBAL commitment? Please.
My criticism is not about the media. They can be counted on to attack anyone on our side viciously. What is being questioned is Newt's competence in making it so easy on them. I vividly recall at the time that he kept making arrogant blunder after arrogant blunder. He acted very much like Nancy Pelosi with an air of Imperial big-headedness regarding his role as speaker of the house. He made it EASY for the media to stir up hate against him.
He was on our side at one time, and I loved him for it, but too many times has he stubbornly gone the wrong way. Scozzafava and Global Warming being only two of the more recent examples. I'll vote for him if he wins the primary, but I very much would rather have someone else than either him or Romney.
Well said. It is my opinion that Bush's pragmatism (and willingness to compromise with the Foolish and Corrupt Democrats) has led us to the Obama Precedency, and the ascendance of socialist/fascist government.
Agreed.
“Had Keyes won we would likely not be in the fix we are now.”
And we know this because? Hasn’t he lost about a dozen races for public office so far? Dog Catcher had to have been one of them. He didn’t get close to any others. I think 30% or so is his best showing. There must be a reason...just a guess, but I don’t think ALL of his races were lost because they were Dem districts.
She made a VERBAL commitment? Please.
You would think maybe she should have had a contract typed up? Seriously?
Given the all too conspicuous relationship between the medical field and the legal "sewer" industry, I am confident that Tom Coburn certainly satisfied himself as to her consent, (both legally and morally) before undertaking the surgery. To believe otherwise is to suggest the man was not cognizant of the threat of a lawsuit. A preposterous supposition regarding anyone in the medical industry. I have several doctor friends, and I assure you they are painfully aware of what they must do to avoid a lawsuit.
That the lawsuit was "dropped" ought to tell anyone everything they need to know about this incident.
Maryland and Illinois. What else do you need to know?
He ran for President of the United States in 1996, 2000, and 2008, and was a Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate in 1988, 1992, and 2004 and 2008. In the federal election held on November 4, 2008, Keyes received 47,694 votes nationally to finish seventh. About 86% (40,673) of the votes he received were cast in California (which is usually considered Dem country) so I guess I’’m confused.
“That the lawsuit was “dropped” ought to tell anyone everything they need to know about this incident.”
Yeah, because Hospitals NEVER settle....
I am, of course, talking about Newt Gingrich. I am, quite frankly, in a state of shock at the stupidity of support for him. He is a mean, insufferable, arrogant, pompous Rockefeller Republican, an ethanol-subsidizing global-warming crony-capitalist ludicrously hypocritical pretend conservative.
Here is just the start, just a hint, of his anti-conservative actions (provided by a friend):
04/02/1987 - cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
10/22/1991 - voted for an amendment that would create a National Police Corps.
03/--/1993 - voted for sending $1.6 billion in foreign aid to Russia.
1/27/1994 - supported the GATT Treaty giving sovereignty to the U.N.
08/27/1995 - suggests that drug smuggling should carry a death sentence.
04/25/1996 - voted for the then single largest increase on federal education spending ($3.5 billion)
04/10/1995 - supported federal taxdollars being spent on abortions.
06/01/1996 - helped a Democrat switch parties in an attempt to defeat constitutionalist Ron Paul in the 1996 election.
09/25/1996 - introduced H.R. 4170, demanded life-sentence or execution for someone bringing 2 ounces of marijuana across the border.
01/22/1997 - Congress gave him a record-setting $300,000 fine for ethical wrongdoing.
11/29/2006 - said that free speech should be curtailed in order to fight terrorism, called for a "serious debate about the 1st Amendment."
02/15/2007 - supports Bush's proposal for mandatory carbon caps.
09/28/2008 - says if in office, he would have reluctantly voted for the $700B TARP bailout.
09/30/2008 - releases his book A Contract with the Earth which embraces man-made global warming.
12/08/2008 - paid $300,000 by Freddie Mac to halt Congress from bringing necessary reform.
03/31/2009 - says we should have Singapore-style drug tests for Americans.
11/15/2010 - defends Romneycare
01/30/2011 - lobbies for ethanol subsidies.
01/30/2011 - suggests that flex-fuel vehicles be mandated for Americans.
02/13/2011 - criticizes Obama for sending less U.S. taxdollars to Egypt.
03/09/2011 - blames his infidelity to multiple wives on his passion for the country.
03/15/2011 - says that NAFTA worked because it created jobs in Mexico.
03/19/2011 - has no regrets about supporting Medicare drug coverage. (now $7.2T unfunded liability)
03/23/2011 - completely flip-flops on Libyan intervention in 16 days.
03/25/2011 - plans to sign as many as 200 executive orders on his first day as president.
04/25/2011 - admits he is a paid lobbyist for federal ethanol subsidies.
07/15/2011 - his poorly managed campaign is over $1 million in debt.
08/01/2011 - hires a company to create fake Twitters to appear as if had a following.
11/16/2011 - revealed he actually received $1.6 million lobbying for Freddie Mac, vs. his previously stated $300,000
This list could go on and on. Here's more. Further, he has no executive or private business experience whatever. Until he cashed in with lobbying contracts after he resigned from Congress in 1999, he never worked a day in the private sector. Like Zero, he taught at a state school (University of West Georgia) until becoming a professional politician (Congressman from Georgia 1979-1999). He is an ultimate Washington insider.
In May 2011, the Senate Ethics Committee identified Coburn in their report on the ethics violations of Senator John Ensign. The report stated that Coburn knew about Ensign’s extramarital affair and was involved in trying to negotiate a financial settlement to cover it up.
That one wasn’t dropped.
That one wasn’t dropped.
You are going to have to do a better job of explaining why anyone should give a sh*t about this. It doesn't even come close to ringing the bell on my "give-a-sh*t-O-meter."
At least you got that last part right. Third parties, or non endorsed Party candidates do not do well in Presidential elections. The Senate Runs were from Maryland and Illinois, just as I told you.
“You are going to have to do a better job of explaining why anyone should give a sh*t about this. It doesn’t even come close to ringing the bell on my “give-a-sh*t-O-meter.”
Well, genius, when someone posts a condemnation of someone else charging them with ethics and rules violations, it’s a good idea to know who that someone is, isn’t it? And if your meter is so broken, it’s no wonder you can’t find an honest man.
“At least you got that last part right.”
Oh. Then the two other runs for POtuS didn’t count?
Man, you are off to a bad start in your search for truth today, my man.
You have evidence the Hospital settled? Pop it out. I think it is completely irrational to believe that a medical doctor would take the risk of failing to get consent for a procedure. Obviously SOME SORT of consent was given, else there would have been NO PROCEDURE. I find it far more likely to believe a woman in pain would miss something being explained to her than that a man would risk his career and accept a massive financial cost because he didn't follow the usual policy on obtaining consent from a patient.
Your argument is nonsense on the face of it, and apparently the People of Oklahoma agreed. Twice. As a representative of those who voted for Tom Coburn, Let me be the first to extend to you a good ole Sooner state F*** Y**!
Yes, if someone gets away with it, that makes it okay for everyone else too. Right? (look up Tu Quoque.)
And if your meter is so broken, it’s no wonder you can’t find an honest man.
I'm certainly not finding one now.
That's because i'm wasting time with you. I've already determined there is no truth here to be found.
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