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Footage that kills the conspiracy theories: Unseen 9/11 footage shows WTC Building 7
UK Daily Mail ^ | November 1, 2011 | Meghan Keneally

Posted on 11/01/2011 12:37:58 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Its dramatic collapse several hours after the Twin Towers fell triggered a decade of conspiracy theories. Those who believed that the September 11 attacks on America were not carried out by Al Qaeda terrorists pointed to the fall of World Trade Center Building 7 as proof of their wild claims. But a newly released video appears to finally prove once and for all that Building 7 was brought down by the intense heat of the blazing World Trade Center - and not explosives, as conspiracy theorists claim.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 911; 911conspiracy; alqaeda; conspiracies; conspiracytheory; footage; muslims; nyc; ronpaul; truthers; wtc
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To: driftdiver
Fire doesn’t melt steel, right?

Your reference, of course, is to that famous physicist Rosie O'Donnell. Here, for the amusement of those who didn't appreciate your subtle joke, are the brilliant words of Rosie herself talking about the collapse of the WTC buildings.

Recently, Rosie O’Donnell, a co-host of ABC talk show The View, made comments on the show that renewed controversy over the collapse of World Trade Center 7.

While saying she didn’t know what to believe about the U.S. government’s involvement in the attacks of Sept. 11, she said, “I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics that World Trade Center tower 7—building 7, which collapsed in on itself—it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7. World Trade [Center] 1 and 2 got hit by planes—7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.”

She continued: “To say that we don’t know that it imploded, that it was an implosion and a demolition, is beyond ignorant. Look at the films, get a physics expert here [on the show] from Yale, from Harvard, pick the school—[the collapse] defies reason.”

41 posted on 11/01/2011 1:43:22 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I don’t know the details on the WTC, but you’re talking about post tension cable construction. This is used to make concrete slabs capable of taking tension stress. Hitting the softening point in a cable in a case like that would surely make the slabs fail. Also the framework would have been steel girders supporting those slabs, and those beams would also have buckled after hitting the softening point.

I don’t remember the details completely (not a Civil Engineer anyway), but there is a pretty small maximum height you can attain when you try to build a building with just masonry and not steel. Steel had it’s strength based on a couple of things- work hardening and precipitation hardening. Once you get to the softening point of the steel, both of these factors crash, and you end up with really soft metal.


42 posted on 11/01/2011 1:46:51 PM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: xp38

you missed response 23-

the jooos had to make sure they were all out before blowing the tower-sarc

It is amazing the towers stood- for as long as they did-
watching the second plane go through the tower- I would
have thought most -beams and supports were compromised.
to cause an immediate collapse.


43 posted on 11/01/2011 1:48:43 PM PDT by mj1234
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To: The_Victor

sometimes a logical presentation is merely lost on me.


44 posted on 11/01/2011 1:49:16 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: bcsco

In some cases if the Union troops had to quickly move on they would start a bonfire with the railroad ties and other wood, put the railroad rails on top of it, leave and let gravity bend the rails under their own weight. They could be used again but not without some work.


45 posted on 11/01/2011 1:50:15 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: Covenantor

My favorite “proof” that “fire doesn’t melt steel” uttered by a former neighbor, an English teacher.

“Look, I’ve been cooking on this stainless still grill forever and it has melted yet and neither has the lid. I’ve got a Master’s degree you know.” She said with a sneer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

lol

My neighbor (also with a Masters in English) mixed Ajax with ammonia to clean her bathroom.

Fortunately, she managed to drive herself to the ER.

Chemistry lesson learned the hard way.


46 posted on 11/01/2011 1:50:36 PM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Drill Thrawl

Rosie the Riviter -vs- Rosie the Ribeater.


47 posted on 11/01/2011 1:51:38 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: driftdiver

It depends on how hot the fire is. 1100 degree F will sure weaken steel.


48 posted on 11/01/2011 1:57:56 PM PDT by physcitech (God only knows)
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To: Mr. Lucky

I know. I was just pointing out the lunacy of it all...


49 posted on 11/01/2011 2:00:04 PM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: Nepeta
I saw that.

A word of warning to anyone who hasn't seen it and wants to find it and watch it.

EMPTY YOUR BLADDER BEFORE WATCHING!

You will not hold it.

50 posted on 11/01/2011 2:01:25 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Yep. I wasn’t criticizing that post, just pointing out the lunacy of the argument from the left. Sherman put heat and steel to good effect.


51 posted on 11/01/2011 2:01:49 PM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: Mrs.Z
Kinda like horseshoes - she probably thinks those grow from posts in sand behind VFW halls.

Iron isn't melted to make a horseshoe. It's heated, then hammered on an anvil and bent to its shape. If heated too much, or whacked too hard, it tears.

The Trade Towers were nothing but a large forge, where the steel was softened by jet fuel, etc., and then bent to the point of breakage from so much weight above acting as a massive hammer.

Basic blacksmithing must be too difficult for all those intelligent truther moonbats to understand.

52 posted on 11/01/2011 2:06:18 PM PDT by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: physcitech

I had a link to a website ( lost it ) that sold gasoline/diesel cutting torches that they claimed were able to get hotter than oxy acetylene.


53 posted on 11/01/2011 2:20:21 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: InterceptPoint
miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.”

I wonder, has Rosie ever visited a steel mill.

Or, for that matter, a blacksmith's shop...

54 posted on 11/01/2011 2:23:01 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: cripplecreek

If I ever saw that scene I would panic!

I couldn’t even imagine seeing a giant blue arrow like that!


55 posted on 11/01/2011 2:32:56 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: drbuzzard
I once had this discussion with a wingnut who believed it was an inside job. The fact that I have a PhD in steelmaking didn’t seem to phase him at all.

What you told him undoubtedly went against the grain.

≤}B^)

56 posted on 11/01/2011 2:36:28 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Comments on there are hilarious with even DUmmies calling BS on this.
57 posted on 11/01/2011 2:40:08 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: Erasmus

The worst would be meeting the giant who shot it.


58 posted on 11/01/2011 2:41:38 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: driftdiver

“Fire doesn’t melt steel, right?”

Last week I was heating some 5/8” cold roll steel rods with a torch and bending them into a U shape for a project. My little boy came by to watch and said, Wow, you’re Superman! So naturally, I let him bend the next one by himself.


59 posted on 11/01/2011 2:49:22 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Mrs.Z
Boy! Did I ever botch that proofreading.

Corrected now. It should have read:

"Look, I've been cooking on this stainless steel grill forever and it hasn't melted yet and neither has the lid. I've got a Master's degree you know.?" She said with a sneer.

Good thing that witch moved or I'd never hear the end of it.

Very lucky and near thing for your neighbor.

60 posted on 11/01/2011 2:57:55 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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