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Mexico and the War on Drugs: Time to Legalize
Cato Institute ^ | 10/18/'11 | Vincente Fox

Posted on 10/22/2011 1:39:00 PM PDT by 4buttons

70 minute VIDEO- Former President of Mexico Vincente Fox speaks on ending the drug war.

(Excerpt) Read more at cato.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: babies; cartels; diaper; doj; doper; drugcartels; drugs; drugwarriors; fastandfurious; friedbrains; libertarian; medicalmarijuana; mexico; paultards; red; ronpaul; wod; wosd
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1 posted on 10/22/2011 1:39:05 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: 4buttons

It’s Fox now, not Calderon?

Anyhow, it’s hard to blame either one of them for wanting the profits to go out of drug running and all the chaos that surrounds it.

What if Obama’s answer were to lift the Federal ban on pot? That would leave Mexico in the stew it deserves, while helping the US economy.


2 posted on 10/22/2011 1:51:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: 4buttons

It’s Fox now, not Calderon?

Anyhow, it’s hard to blame either one of them for wanting the profits to go out of drug running and all the chaos that surrounds it.

What if Obama’s answer were to lift the Federal ban on pot? (I mean domestically grown pot.) That would leave Mexico in the stew it deserves, while helping the US economy.


3 posted on 10/22/2011 1:52:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: 4buttons

Poof, drugs are legalized. Now what’s the war with the cartels going to be called?

The criminality of drugs isn’t what grew the cartels or armed them, or made them into the horrid problem that Mexico has today. It has everything to do with the culture of Mexico which encouraged corruption in every level of government, from bribes to street officers to outright buying of army officers to steal weapons from the military.

Make it legal to have massive coca fields near the border, and those fields will be under the armed control of the cartels, and nothing will have changed. Make it legal for huge marijuana plantations, and again, they’ll simply be armed cartel camps.

It all comes down to a question of will. Does Mexico have the will to retain their country? I don’t think so. Too much time is spent blaming outside factors - it’s the drugs, it’s the guns, it’s...all the fault of Mexicans for permitting armed groups to take control of their country. Stop blaming others, and either take it back, or cede such territory to the cartels and move on.


4 posted on 10/22/2011 1:52:27 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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5 posted on 10/22/2011 1:53:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: kingu

They will attempt to do the same thing, except they will be missing a huge asset, one that got them syarted.

You’ll never get rid of bad people, just keep making it harder and harder for them to be bad. This would do it.


6 posted on 10/22/2011 1:56:19 PM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: kingu

To put a formal prohibition on something popular (even if it is harmful under common circumstances) severely taxes the resources of a government. You’d think this would have been learned from alcohol.


7 posted on 10/22/2011 1:57:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: kingu
The trafficking in drugs goes hand in hand with the trafficking of weapons.

Look for the BATF's new "Blasted and Befuddled" drug distribution network to go along with "Fast and Furious".

8 posted on 10/22/2011 1:57:33 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: 4buttons

Georgie Soros is sure busy! This is one of his pet causes. He funds a huge pro-drug legalization group that has a very deceptive name that makes it sound as if it is opposed to drugs, but it is actually a huge and well-funded pro-drug organization. They get pro-drug articles into the mainstream press and into things like National Geographic and I guess they must have slipped Fox a few bucks to come out with this. (He’s a flake anyway.)

But maybe Soros’ theory is that it’s easier to control the peasants if they stay stoned. Or maybe he’s invested in a lot of Bolivian coca plantations or perhaps in the coca-growers union?


9 posted on 10/22/2011 1:58:56 PM PDT by livius
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To: 4buttons
Time to Legalize

NO! NO! NO!!!! DAMNIT!! The problem is not the price, or the money flow. Its not Mexico, its not the cartels is the use of the sh!t in the first place. Even if they made the damn stuff free, our drug problem would only increase. Anybody who's for leagalization has their head completely up their butt.

10 posted on 10/22/2011 2:00:57 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: 4buttons

Legalize drugs, and the Mexican cartels will get out of the business, to be replaced by peaceful hippies growing their own. And the lion will lie down with the lamb, and it will be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.


11 posted on 10/22/2011 2:07:29 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
The trafficking in drugs goes hand in hand with the trafficking of weapons.

The trafficking in Mexico has nothing to do with drugs or smuggling of people or running porn rings or cockfighting rings and everything to do with reaping what was sewn from decades of gross corruption in all levels of government. Once your police force can be purchased, it will be.

Let's say tomorrow, Mexico steps forward and says 'drugs are now legal, plant whatever you want, sell it wherever you want, we're not even going to tax it.' What will happen? The cartels will continue maintaining plantations and they will firebomb anyone else who attempts to get into the business. They'll continue with human smuggling, with child prostitution, with gun running, and confiscate even larger portions of Mexico to hold their plantations on.

The people of Mexico have to say 'no mas', and eject these cartels. If that means convoys in to evacuate non-combatants and then carpet bombing whatever is left, that is what they need to do. They have no will to do this, it is someone else's problem - the American drug problem, the American gun problem..

No, it is a Mexican corruption problem, and it's time they stop blaming others and clean up their own mess.

12 posted on 10/22/2011 2:11:45 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: 4buttons

Yeah, legalize it and we can have even more stoned idiots out there protesting that the few who are left who still are cogent enough owe them their earnings.


13 posted on 10/22/2011 2:12:32 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: tbpiper

i guess it depends on what you mean by “our drug problem”>

my drug problem is the gangs and violence. if someone wants to take “free” drugs and ruin their life, why is that “our drug problem”, thats their problem and welcome to it.

we should get the gangs and crime out of drugs, let those who are stupid enough to take drugs wreck themselves, but at least not ruing the rest of society.

plus, i am not convinced making them legal will do much to increase drug use. anyone who wants drugs can get them now cant they?


14 posted on 10/22/2011 2:12:49 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: kingu
Make alcohol legal, the cartels will set up armed distilleries. Legalize tobacco...

Oh wait, you say they don't make money from alcohol or tobacco? Now I wonder why that is.

It wouldn't be because a criminal black market can't compete with a well-regulated legal market, would it? Nah!

15 posted on 10/22/2011 2:16:23 PM PDT by Ken H (They are running out of other people's money. )
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To: tbpiper

And you have thousands of people who are spending the rest of their lives in prison, being violently abused, and becoming violent themselves, because they were caught with an ounce of marijuana in their pocket.

Makes sense to me.


16 posted on 10/22/2011 2:19:19 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: stuartcr

I can agree to that. Legalizing would take the vast amounts of money out of drugs. Having said that, it won’t make bad people good, but it would make it much harder for them to be wealthy. To the poster who said that the farms would be under armed cartel guard,I don’t think so. There wouldn’t be enough money in it to pay them. You don’t see armed guards at potato farms or chicken houses. Yet.(With the direction our economy has taken, you may see that here.)


17 posted on 10/22/2011 2:20:12 PM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: 4buttons
Yeah. Let's legalize drugs. "Crocodile" (desomorphine), the new, "designer" Russian street drug is on its way to America. After a few years, we'll have a lot fewer druggies in this country to worry about.

(Warning: This is all you need to know about desomorphine if you have a weak stomach.)

18 posted on 10/22/2011 2:22:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Quickgun
To the poster who said that the farms would be under armed cartel guard,I don’t think so.

If it were legal, why would the farms even be in Mexico? Why not in backyards all over the U. S.? Or on farms all over this country?

19 posted on 10/22/2011 2:24:58 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: tbpiper
You'd take away the cartels' main source of funding. Generally speaking, loss of funds means you have less money. That will often make an entity/organization/gang etc. weaker.
20 posted on 10/22/2011 2:25:02 PM PDT by Ken H (They are running out of other people's money. )
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