E-Verify bill goes to committee markup

The Hill ^ | September 13, 2011 | Gautham Nagesh

[jazusamo]

The House Judiciary Committee will mark up a bill from Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) on Thursday morning that would require all U.S. employers to use E-Verify, the Department of Homeland Security system that checks whether new hires are eligible to work in the United States.

Smith called on President Obama to make E-Verify part of his jobs plan on Monday, arguing the law could open up millions of jobs for legal residents as the unemployment remains above 9 percent. The program checks candidates' Social Security numbers against a federal database to verify they are allowed to work in the U.S.

“A federal E-Verify requirement is needed now more than ever," Smith said in a statement sent to The Hill.

"Nearly 14 million Americans can’t find work but at the same time seven million illegal immigrants work in the U.S. Congress should pass the Legal Workforce Act and the President should sign it into law — unemployed Americans can’t wait any longer.”

Federal contractors are already required to use E-Verify, which Smith characterized as a simple, straightforward way to ensure employers aren't hiring illegal aliens for open jobs in an op-ed published Tuesday in The Hill.

"The 'E' in E-Verify could just as well stand for 'easy' and 'effective.' It takes only one to two minutes to use per new hire and immediately confirms 99.5 percent of work-eligible employees," Smith said.

"Even though E-Verify is not mandatory, many businesses voluntarily use the program. Nearly 290,000 American employers use E-Verify and an average of 1,300 new businesses sign up each week," he said.

While Smith noted that the vast majority — 99.5 percent — of individuals are immediately confirmed as eligible to work, the remaining half-percent remain a major concern for groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union that oppose making E-Verify mandatory. While a portion of those cases are ineligible workers, DHS has also previously acknowledged that some workers are erroneously rejected initially and must petition to have their status reviewed. Critics argue those workers are essentially barred from working through no fault of their own, until DHS corrects the error.

But the program has a long list of supporters, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Restaurant Association and the National Association of Home Builders. The bill has met stiff resistance from agricultural producers, who rely heavily on illegal labor to harvest fruits and vegetables.

[BenKenobi]

“If there are kinks in it, which I’m not sure there are, they can be worked out.”

When has the Obama administration ever done anything to help businesses? If it were helpful for businesses, why would he be pressing to make it mandatory?

Imagine a world where someone was registered as a non-union getting and E-Verify result that came out negative?

What recourse would an employee have?

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

As a voluntary system this is barely tolerable. As a mandatory system, this opens the door to unbridled evil.

“You must have the permission of the US federal government to work.”

No argument about what good it might do comes anywhere close to the horror this visits on our nation. And this violation of our individuality is just the last in a long list of violations, the gradual elimination of Americans as people who have their own unique, personal destiny of their own making. In yet another way, we become “subjects” of the federal government of the United States. Property.

[jazusamo]

It doesn’t look like the Obama administration nor Dems are pushing for this, the Repubs are. DHS and Napolitano tried to say some time back that this program wasn’t mandatory but when backed into a corner she admitted it is but is being phased in. The Repubs want a bill to make it mandatory now.

[BenKenobi]

I have no problems with it as a voluntary tool, but as a mandate, no, it’s wrong.

What is going to happen is that the power and control is going to be misused, as it always is.

The businesses should be responsible for screening employees, but their degree of screening should be up to them, not the state.

If it’s mandatory than a false positive will destroy good people. What is there to stop a government employee with a vendetta against your business from preventing you from preventing you from hiring people?

Do you really want the government to have that power?

[BenKenobi]

There was a time, we were told that the social security number would not be used for hiring purposes.

How far has america come in 60 years?

If you don’t want a business to hire illegals, don’t patronize them.

[ridesthemiles]

That was done very recently & the number he is using comes up INVALID.

[free me]

You don’t know what you are talking about. It’s unfortunate that you continue to lie about E-verify in order to obscure your desire for amnesty.

Here is the user guide for those who want the facts:

http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/E-Verify_Manual.pdf

No matter what people like you and Perry say or think e-verify is coming to everyone. It is and will be a major tool in getting illegals to self deport.

Hopefully all governments,schools,hospitals and local LEOs will be using it soon.

You can keep lying about it but you can’t stop us.

It’s going to happen.

[BenKenobi]

“You can keep lying about it but you can’t stop us.”

Sure can, and we will.

We beat you guys on the Gardasil mandate, and we’ll beat you on this mandate too.

Lots of people trying to shove things down people’s throats that they do not want, and this mandate is no different than any other.

E-Verify has major problems with it, and no, it’s not a lie. It would be better to work out the problems before going full steam ahead.

You know, I was amenable to your position, but seeing that the argument is full steam ahead and damn the torpedos, I think I’ll pass.

If a voluntary program has problems then these need to be fixed rather than forcing it on the entire country. I look forward to your admission that you are dead wrong about this helping the employment situation in the US.

[free me]

You’re full of it.

When you, Obama, the ACLU and the open borders WSJ editorial page and Rick Perry are against it.

The rest of us can safely be for it.

I posted the actual user manual for the program, you posted lies.

[Georgia Girl 2]

I heard Barry already failed E-Verify. Who among us is shocked?

[SaraJohnson]

They should set a good example for the country, I agree! ;)

[BenKenobi]

What lie did I post?

Is it a mandate? Yes.

Will it force businesses to do something which they’ve been voluntarily able to do, but have chosen not to do? Yes.

Are there problems with the system at present? Also yes.

Is one of those problems the fact that the system isn’t designed to deal with identity fraud? Also yes.

So if I’ve lied, please state what and where I have lied. I believe this to be a bad idea. My experience has been that you cannot fire someone who has failed this until their appeal has been heard.

Why do I know this? Because I’ve been involved on the employer side of this and have seen other employees go through the process.

But full speed ahead and damn the torpedos. Who cares about unintended consequences?

[Future Useless Eater]

>>Someone should enter Zero’s name and SS# and video what comes up on the screen.

Freeper ethical DID use E-Verify to check Obama’s legal working status here ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2776929/posts?page=44#44 ...and he FLUNKED.




Since the 1st two reasons were NOT checked, that apparently means the (name and d.o.b and SSN) were ALL 'entered' correctly.

  - Note the 4th reason (SSA record does not verify - Other reason) IS checked.

ethical did a thorough search of what that fourth item most likely means, which she described in much greater detail here ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2776929/posts?page=60#60

Her findings of what that most likely means was one of these reasons. [remaining text is ethical's quotes]...

1. False Identity
2. Noncitzen Not in Status
3. Multiple SSN’s with Different Identities
4. Scrambled Earnings with New SSN Assigned
5. SSN Obtained Using Fraudulent Documentation
6. SSN Assigned Based on Harassment/Abuse/Life Endangerment
7. Fictitious Identity
8. Fraud-OIG Investigated
9. Fraud SSN Misuse

Eight of the Special Indicators have to do with fraud of some kind. I do not think that special indicator #6 was even available until long after Obama started using the SSN in question. It looks to me like the SSN Obama is using has been flagged with a Special Indicator indicating fraud.

[Future Useless Eater]

Chairman Lamar Smith should subpoena not only BHO's SSN application, but also ALL of the examiner's records who processed that application.

A freeper with apparent 'insider knowledge' claims that the SSA examiner identified BHO II as a 'permanent legal resident' at that time (ie, NOT yet a citizen... here ).

An American Refugee Resettlement Organization maintains legal custody of BHO II until he turns 18. His case manager in CT files his SS-5 with the SSA in 1976-1977 using his status as a Permanent Legal Resident in the United States as his qualifications. A document examiner with the SSA reviewed and verified the SS-5 and its supporting documents. An alpha-numeric code is generated as a result of this document examination. BHO’s II PLR code is marked with a “Y” (Permanent Legal Resident = Yes).

Obama became a Naturalized US Citizen in his early 20’s.

Our typically-tight-lipped freeper (Sven) elaborated on that process here... here .

Each SS-5, application for SSN, is examined and supporting documents are verified by an examiner at the SSA. The results of the examination and verification are coded under specific policies and procedures.

Examining Obama’s alleged SSNs and applications is not enough. The results of the examinations of the documents provided with each application is what is important.

Orly is asking for the form his case manager in Connecticut filled out and nothing more. It proves nothing ... other than Obama had a case manager located in Connecticut handling his legal paperwork. A person in fostercare isn’t eliminated from being eligible for POTUS.

Orly needs to get the code generated by the SSA after the SS-5, Application for SSN, was processed.

Sven named the agency that served as BHO II's refugee case worker here...

Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:56:29 AM · 14 of 35
SvenMagnussen to marshmallow

Obama was placed in Federal foster care in 1971 and placed with:

Catholic Charities Migration & Refugee Services
Hartford, CT

www.cccfs.org

[sorry if I blew your 'cover' Sven]

[Future Useless Eater]

Here is another piece of BHO II's E-verify / Connecticut SSN puzzle. (and rememeber, that when BHO's SSN was issued in March 1977, he was 15 and a half, so he most likely just applied for a driving learner's permit )

http://www1.honolulu.gov/csd/vehicle/dlrequirements.htm General Requirements For All Applicants
(New, Renewals and Duplicate Licenses and Instruction Permits)

1. Acceptable Signature Filing for Minors

   1. Both parents (married, separated or divorced with joint custody).
   
   2. Divorced parent with custody papers.
   
   3. One parent, spouse deceased.
   
   4. Legal guardian(s) with Court Documents.
   
   5. Foster parents with Court Documents.
   
   6. Responsible person(s), if parents deceased.
   
   7. Employer, if parents deceased and no responsible person(s).
   
   Note: For minor applicants between the ages of 15.5 through 17, a certified copy of the minor's birth certificate is required to establish proof of age and to determine who may sign the parental consent.

NOW, combine that tidbit with what we learned from Obama's UNCLE OMAR:

Breaking: Obama's illegal alien, DUI uncle has valid social security number, license
Howie Carr show ^ | 8/29/11 | raccoonradio

Posted on Monday, August 29, 2011 2:23:08 PM by raccoonradio

... "If you go to the Registry of Motor Vehicles and try to get a license and don't have a valid SSN, you have to get some kind of letter...you become a refugee and you're automatically entitled...

[Future Useless Eater]

I should have also mentioned above that Hawaii REQUIRES a Social Security Number before issuing a Driver's Instruction Permit.


Also, no thread that mentions BHO II's 'bogus' SSN should go without explaining WHY we legally KNOW what that SSN is...

Obama made public the SSN that he uses when he carelessly published his 2009 taxes and only amateurishly covered up the SSN (first with scratch-out) and then with a PDF layer of whiteout, that is easily removed.

FRAUD-GATE
If it was true that his Refugee Agency in Connecticut obtained this SSN for him ( Catholic Charities Migration & Refugee Services, Hartford, CT ) then we have evidence of the biggest fraud ever committed in American history.

[MontaniSemperLiberi]

I never asked to be on this ping list. I did not post in this thread. I find your posts less than entertaining.

Please, not one more message to me. Thank you.

[bert]

Do you think the new bill might remedy the problems you see?

[bert]

Do you think the new bill might remedy the problems you see?

[Carry_Okie]

Only pro-amnesty people are against e-verify because they know it works.

Not true. I oppose it because there are better ways to drive illegals out of the country and because I don't want the government keeping databases on the people capable of controlling their commerce. It's invasive, it's immoral, and it's an illegal warrantless search for a criminal who has not exhibited probable cause.

Want something more effective? Try a bounty system with stiff penalties for false arrest. The illegals would flee in a heartbeat.