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Sarah Palin mum on presidential ambitions during Iowa speech
Yahoo! News ^ | Alex Pappas

Posted on 09/03/2011 1:59:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: KoRn
If she DOES run, she ain’t gonna win. I’d venture to guess she would be one of the FEW people 0bama could actually win against.

Thank you for passing that message on from all of your liberal friends. Now do yourself a favor and get a better class of friends.

121 posted on 09/03/2011 10:29:34 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Blech.

I’m not admiring her for delaying things.


122 posted on 09/03/2011 10:32:17 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: rob777
the ad hyping her speech today could be seen as somewhat deceptive. It set off a lot of speculation that today would be the day of her announcement.

The speculation about her announcing today was squashed by Palin and her stealth campaign organizers within twenty four hours of its inception.

If you actually paid attention to what's going on, instead of sitting there stewing in your irrational dislike of Palin, you'd have known that weeks ago.

Even those who are sitting on the fence regarding Palin knew that ad was pure bs when they saw it today.

I hope you actually watched her speech today. Tell me that you did.

123 posted on 09/03/2011 10:35:22 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Longbow1969
Governor Palin polls terribly against Hussein. She doesn't even poll particularly well in the Republican party as most don't want her to run.

As Governor Palin said in her speech today, "Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers."

As long as you're demanding polling evidence, you should find the just released National Review Online poll, where she beat Rick Perry by something like 52%. That was a poll of conservative voters, and the participation was massive - about 30,000 I believe the article said.

It was posted on FR today. I'm sure you can find it at NRO, as well.

124 posted on 09/03/2011 10:44:00 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GunRunner
Tell me one benefit of waiting until the last minute.

Unfortunately (depending on how you look at it) a lot of people just don't see or understand the campaign strategy Palin is employing.

It's really not rocket science. She's got 100% name recognition, which means that she doesn't have to campaign for as long as others who need to establish themselves, and get the face time required for the public to make a judgement about them.

While the others are in the middle of the field battling it out with each other in the demolition derby, she's outside the ring, taking on no damage and conserving hers and her supporters' resources for the real fight ahead.

In the meantime, because she's established alternative lines of communication with the public, she continues to get her message out to the people. Today's speech is an excellent example of that.

The demolition derby of the early primary is a fight that she is wise to stay out of. There is nothing for her to gain by being a part of it, and lots to lose. When she does step in, her opponents will all be broken and bloodied by the previous months of the contest, and some will have fallen by the wayside.

It's not costing her a thing, in terms of public relations or capital (human and otherwise) to stick it out until the last possible minute. Her supporters aren't going anywhere, and she doesn't need the big money donors and professional political operatives to gain all the benefits of running a winning campaign, while unannounced.

Brilliant strategy, if you ask me.

125 posted on 09/03/2011 11:06:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
I agree with one thing that you said:

"...a lot of people just don't see or understand the campaign strategy Palin is employing."

You're right, a lot of people don't understand it. They don't understand nothing. All of the people waiting in the wings are doing just that, nothing. They're not raising money, they're not building campaign infrastructure or hierarchy, they're not gathering signatures (a requirement in a lot of states to get on the ballot), they're just doing nothing. They're posting on message boards about how great Sarah is going to be once she enters. It's all quite a waste.

Unconventionality might be novel, but it doesn't change the mechanics of winning a primary. I don't think she has any chance of winning it, no matter how long she waits.

Does she win Iowa by waiting? No. Does she win New Hampshire by waiting? No. Does she win South Carolina by waiting? No.

She's down by double digits in all of these early primaries, so while you might think that having no strategy is a good strategy in and of itself, the numbers tell a different story.

You have to win one of these early contests, and there's no evidence she's in any position to do so.

126 posted on 09/03/2011 11:21:34 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner
All of the people waiting in the wings are doing just that, nothing. They're not raising money, they're not building campaign infrastructure or hierarchy, they're not gathering signatures (a requirement in a lot of states to get on the ballot), they're just doing nothing. They're posting on message boards about how great Sarah is going to be once she enters. It's all quite a waste.

You're obviously not a Palin supporter, so I'll forgive you for not being aware of all the Palin campaign activity that's buzzing just under the radar.

Visit the Organize4Palin website to get some sense of how organized and busy her supporters across the country really are.

Contrary to the belief of Palin's detractors and doubters, her campaign infrastructure is already well-formed and better staffed than any of the declared candidates, at this point. The day she announces, they'll all officially jump into action from coast to coast.

I think you're going to be shocked and amazed by a lot of things Palin does over the next 14 months. She's much better prepared than most people realize.

127 posted on 09/04/2011 12:40:10 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SoConPubbie
What's wrong, you afraid she is going to announce?

The sooner the better. There comes a point when it looks like you're afraid to debate the others. We already seen John Kerry try that tactic. Kerry tried to get away with doing just one debate. He forgot that while he was trying to run a campaign that did not conform, he was also denying the American people the time necessary to see him in action. Remember when John Kerry went around making speeches because he knew the opposition would not be there to dispute anything he said?

Remember how badly John Kerry did in the debate with Bush? That's what happens when you grow so cocky that "debates don't matter".

128 posted on 09/04/2011 4:12:03 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Windflier
I'll forgive you for not being aware of all the Palin campaign activity that's buzzing just under the radar

In politics, "under the radar" is NOT a good place to be, my friend.

129 posted on 09/04/2011 4:14:07 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Windflier
No desperation here, it's all in the cult of Sarah camp--mind you that's only a small number of Sarah fans, but they are the folks who are so desperate that they will tear down any other candidate with their lies.

As for the rest, I've already said she can't win. She is carrying too much damage from her Veep run. Read the polling data--not just one poll, but every poll that has been taken. She can't win, but she can almost certainly guarantee that Romney will.

That is the only concern that I have. Perry can and will beat Romney and we will have the first conservative President since Reagan, but if Palin runs and draws a significant following, the best she can do is to split the conservative/base vote and give Romney the ticket.

Sarah should have announced Saturday if she was going to run. She has been playing it just too cute if she still intends to run--which I doubt. She has a better understanding of her electability--or unelectability--than her cult followers do. She knows she is still capable of being influential within the party, but she also knows the limits of her popularity and influence.

If she doesn't and she's playing a Fred Thompson, then she's not nearly as smart as I thought and she has forgotten what happened with Fred.
130 posted on 09/04/2011 6:02:34 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: xzins
What you state is true, which is why the cultists among the Sarah supporters will remain unable to process it.

Sarah's time for announcing her candidacy has now passed. All she can do is damage the conservative/base of the party and elevate Romney's chances.
131 posted on 09/04/2011 6:11:59 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Windflier
As long as you're demanding polling evidence, you should find the just released National Review Online poll, where she beat Rick Perry by something like 52%. That was a poll of conservative voters, and the participation was massive - about 30,000 I believe the article said.

You know that's not a real poll right? It isn't even a good non scientific poll. Go to National Review home page, vote for Palin, delete Cookie, refresh, vote for Palin, delete Cookie, refresh, vote for Palin, rinse and repeat for days on end if you like.

Online polls like this are utterly worthless and 100% unscientific. Any candidates supporters can simply encourage their friends or people who hang out on the same website to spam vote them endlessly.

As Governor Palin said in her speech today, "Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers."

Yes, the polls are for strippers thing has been said a million times before. People always belittle polls when they show something they don't like. It's not new and because Governor Palin said it does not make it any more compelling or accurate.

132 posted on 09/04/2011 7:10:24 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Where’s all the Scott Brown for president freepers?


133 posted on 09/04/2011 7:22:49 AM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: unkus; Winstons Julia

SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST :)


134 posted on 09/04/2011 8:28:09 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: unkus; Winstons Julia

SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST :)


135 posted on 09/04/2011 8:29:33 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or flippin bust)
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To: Longbow1969
Go to National Review home page, vote for Palin, delete Cookie, refresh, vote for Palin, delete Cookie, refresh, vote for Palin, rinse and repeat for days on end if you like.

Online polls like this are utterly worthless and 100% unscientific.

Do you honestly believe that Palin supporters are the type of people who sit at their computers, dishonestly gaming online polls? If they were, she'd win every one of them, hands down. Well, she doesn't, so there goes that little theory.

People always belittle polls when they show something they don't like.

Conservatives didn't care much for how Ronald Reagan polled against Carter in the run-up to the 1980 election, either. He was behind Carter around 30 points for months and months. How accurate would you say those polls were?

The polling business is corrupt. Those who operate it, let just enough truth in to maintain the appearance of credibility. As the 1980 election proved, they're anything but credible.

There are lots of other ways to measure and gauge voter opinion. You'd be better served if you used them.

136 posted on 09/04/2011 10:37:47 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Sudetenland

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, and obviously mine are far different than yours about Palin’s electability and what her intentions are, regarding the race.

I see her as the only Republican out there who truly represents me, and what I want for the future of this country. In my estimation, she’s in a league above and beyond the rest. Of this, I have total certainty.

As for electability, none of the others have the groundswell of grass roots support that Palin has. None. If the media had damaged her as badly as you think they have, that would not be the case. She would not be headlining events, and her endorsement would not have been sought and coveted by so many other politicians over the last couple of years.

Don’t forget — even Rick Perry sought (and received) her endorsement in his last gubernatorial bid.

Not only did the media execute the most vicious, and sustained attack against a sitting politician that has ever been seen in modern history, they then turned around and tried to convince the public that they successfully destroyed her, when nothing could be further from the truth. She remains as popular, as influential, and as powerful, as ever before. Perhaps even more-so.

I know you don’t want Palin to run. That’s clear from your repeated postings to that effect. Thing is - she’s going to run whether you want her to, or not. Others may, as well. I’m all for letting everyone who wants to, stand for office, and see who the voters trust the most to take the fight to Obama.


137 posted on 09/04/2011 11:17:25 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: KoRn

You wish.

Wish in one hand and...
I bet your other hand will fill up first.


138 posted on 09/04/2011 11:22:12 AM PDT by Chong (How's that HopEy, changEy, (thingEy) stuff working out for ya?)
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To: Windflier

Well we’ll see. A loose confederation of volunteers isn’t exactly a campaign infrastructure, but if she announces pulling all of those groups together will help her catch up from being so, so behind.


139 posted on 09/04/2011 2:46:48 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: Carling; Longbow1969; editor-surveyor; SoConPubbie

>> “editor-surveyor says Palin polls badly because Rupert Murdoch is paying the polling companies to publish phony polls about Palin.” <<

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Carling: big on the big lie, short on reading comprehension, and shorter on understanding the use of “polls.”


140 posted on 09/04/2011 4:02:57 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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