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Who Is The Fanatic When It Comes to Gun Control?
JPFO ^ | 29 July, 2011 | Charles Heller

Posted on 08/03/2011 6:04:11 AM PDT by marktwain

Washington, DC --(Ammoland.com)- Colin Goddard, the misguided Virginia Tech shooting victim who has turned to the Brady Center to Promote Gun Violence for solace, said in a recent post about the Oslo Shooting: “Unfortunately, I was soon infuriated by the gun fanatics in America who immediately used this massacre to assert that strong gun laws, like Norway’s, don’t work.”

Well, if you look at the case of Anders Behring Breivik, Norway’s ludicrous “gun control” laws don’t and didn’t work.

So, the first question is: Who, Mr. Goddard, is actually the fanatic in this case? Is it common sense self defense advocates, or emotionally convoluted knee-jerk hysterics?

It is a statistical fact that mass shooters nearly always capitulate to armed resistance.

* It happened in 2007 with the Arvada Colorado Shooting, when Jeanne Assam confronted and shot a heavily armed attacker. The attacker then shot and killed himself. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Assam

* It happened in 2002 at the Appalachian Law School Shooting, when two armed civilians stopped a killer on campus. www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/01/13/lang.htm

Further, when Norwegian Anders Breivik was eventually confronted with deadly force by a SWAT team, he immediately surrendered. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that he would have done any less for a determined armed civilian.

Let me explain why the Brady Center’s poster boy, Mr. Goddard, embraces methods that are fanatical: He advocates for victim disarmament, in the face of irrefutable evidence that said disarmament actually allows for greater harm to innocent people. www.freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/04/when-mass-killers-meet-armed-resistance.html

What he advocates is a decreasing of arms in the civilian population. That’s exactly what gives free reign to evil doers who use guns unlawfully. Is that not the advocacy of a fanatic?

I have met Mr. Goddard at a screening of his “Living For 32″ movie at the University of Arizona in Tucson. A number of us from The Arizona Citizens Defense League attended his event.

Mr. Goddard was in the final room that The Virginia Tech Shooter attacked, and was present when Seung-Hui Cho ended the shooting spree by suicide.

Mr. Goddard described to us all in Tucson how his classmates at Virginia Tech heard the noise of the gun shots, and at first thought it was construction noise. They then heard the noise getting louder, and the teacher opened the door to look, suddenly slamming it shut and telling everyone to get on the floor and dial 911, that there was a man with a gun approaching. Mr. Goddard did so, opened his back pack, retrieved his cell phone, and got through to 911 before he was shot four times by Cho.

Just before the screening of his movie in Tucson, I asked Mr. Goddard: “If there had been a police officer, off duty with his gun sitting next to you, do you think he could have drawn and engaged the shooter with that amount of warning?” (Understand also that Mr. Goddard was an ROTC Cadet, familiar with arms and tactics, and experienced on the M-16 rifle.)

Mr. Goddard’s response to me was, “I have war gamed that over and over in my mind, and I just don’t know.”

It simply has to be said: Mr. Goddard, this is a truly pitiful response.

You seem to be under a hypnotic trance. Do you now actually embrace the lie that holds you hostage?

Think about Mr. Goddard’s reply. He does not know if a police officer could neutralize a deadly threat with about 50 seconds of warning? This from cover, with the assailant coming through a known and restricted entry point?

Or does Mr. Goddard KNOW, deep in his heart, that something actually might have been done to stop Cho? Instead of facing this harsh truth, has he slipped into delusional fanaticism? Is he now so hysterically committed to victim disarmament that he cannot admit that a gun in the hand of a righteous man or woman could have saved innocent lives?

Goddard asserts that the “gun lobby” says that the gun laws in Norway “did not work”?

Well, we at JPFO, a twenty-one-year-old civil rights advocate, and proud of it, point out that the gun laws in Norway worked all too well … in lunatic Anders Breivik’s favor. These deluded laws disarmed the victims, and completely enabled the perpetrator. That is what ALL “gun control” laws do.

Mr. Goddard asserts that the “gun lobby” is, in essence, dancing in the blood of the victims. The truth is that’s exactly what he, and his cohorts and handlers at the Brady Center To Promote Gun Violence, are doing. Just like their victim vulture response to the Giffords shooting in Arizona, it’s to their advantage to do so.

The strategy is called “transference,” a defense mechanism in which the user ascribes to his opponent the exact strategy which he, himself, is using.

Unknowing or unthinking readers, taking those statements – blatant lies -- at face value, will believe them, without questioning the framing bias of the person making the statement. Anders Behring Breivik

Crazy is as crazy does: Breivik posing in a compression garment in a photo released six hours before the attacks. The insignia on his left shoulder reads: "Marxist Hunter - Norway - Multiculti traitor hunting permit".

The fact is that Norwegian gun laws completely enabled Breivik’s agenda. Not one armed adult, moderator, or chaperone, was present with a gun to stop the unlawful violence with deadly force. Had the Norwegian socialist utopians not had their way, and there had been just a single armed protector on that island, that murdering monster might have been dead after getting off only one shot.

As it was, Breivik had NINETY MINUTES to work his blood lust. Now the Norwegian authorities have the gall to actually praise the bumbling efforts of the police? This is utterly upside-down thinking that verges on insanity!

Armed self defense works.

* It worked in 2008 at Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva, where a part time student and off duty soldier stopped a mass killing with a handgun. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre.

* It worked in 1997 in Pearl, Mississippi when Assistant Principal Joel Myrick used a gun at a school to stop a killer. www.davekopel.com/2a/othwr/principal&gun.htm

We would also like to point out that the clamor for background checks has been heard far and wide. Well, Norway’s Anders Breivik had a very thorough one.

* So did Jared Loughner, the Tucson madman who shot Congresswoman Giffords and seventeen other people January 8th of this year.

* So did Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech attacker who put four bullets in Mr. Goddard.

Do we see a pattern here? Background checks don’t work. Madmen and criminals, no matter what gun laws exist, will ALWAYS be able to arm themselves.

We don’t think that Mr. Goddard of Virginia Tech has evil intentions, just wrongful methods. It is perhaps right to remind ourselves of the terrific trauma he suffered from both his wounds and the event itself. It would be absolutely normal for a thinking person to feel misplaced guilt at the horrific impotence of not being able to do anything in such a ghastly situation.

But how he was “turned” by the Brady Bunch, and made their poster boy, befuddles me. One would think that a man contemplating a military career (ROTC), and familiar with firearms, would have come out of that horror completely enraged at the impotence inflicted upon him by idiotic and dangerous “gun control” laws. As he was taken to the hospital, he must have been screaming to himself: “If I’d only had a gun!”

So there remains but one question, Mr. Goddard: Are you going to allow lawful citizens to shoot violent criminal actors, or are you going to continue to bury dead children, gunned down unchallenged because of “gun control”?

A curious world awaits your answer.

Respectfully, Charles Heller Executive Director, JPFO.

About: Jews For The Preservation Of Firearms Ownership Mission is to destroy “gun control” and to encourage Americans to understand and defend all of the Bill of Rights for everyone. Those are the twin goals of Wisconsin-based Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO). Founded by Jews and initially aimed at educating the Jewish community about the historical evils that Jews have suffered when they have been disarmed, JPFO has always welcomed persons of all religious beliefs who share a common goal of opposing and reversing victim disarmament policies while advancing liberty for all.

JPFO is a non-profit tax-exempt educational civil rights organization, not a lobby. JPFO’s products and programs reach out to as many segments of the American people as possible, using bold tactics without compromise on fundamental principles. Visit www.JPFO.org – Copyright JPFO 2011


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
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No one knows exactly what one will do in a deadly fight. Most people will do what they have trained to do. If they have trained to do nothing, they will do nothing.
1 posted on 08/03/2011 6:04:13 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I don’t have any desire to own a gun but have shot plenty and could get a gun in short order.

I live among very conservative well armed neighbors in a tiny town with virtually no crime.


2 posted on 08/03/2011 6:09:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: marktwain
Mr. Goddard described to us all in Tucson how his classmates at Virginia Tech heard the noise of the gun shots, and at first thought it was construction noise. They then heard the noise getting louder, and the teacher opened the door to look, suddenly slamming it shut and telling everyone to get on the floor and dial 911, that there was a man with a gun approaching. Mr. Goddard did so, opened his back pack, retrieved his cell phone, and got through to 911 before he was shot four times by Cho

Nobody thought to bar the door, they just laid down and waited for Cho to open it?

3 posted on 08/03/2011 6:11:29 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: marktwain

The problem, of course - and the salient point the author ignores - is that criminals, by definition, do NOT obey laws.

Thus, the law-abiding will always be at the mercy of criminals unless the law-abiding are prepared to defend themselves, and have the means to do so.

Q.E.D.


4 posted on 08/03/2011 6:18:47 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: cripplecreek

Find yourself in a situation such as a natural disaster, where your neighbors don’t have time to take care of you because they are busy taking care of themselves, and you would wish you had a gun.


5 posted on 08/03/2011 6:24:37 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Or I could be intelligent enough to actually work with my neighbors. If I need a gun I can easily borrow one from a neighbor.


6 posted on 08/03/2011 6:30:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Like the previous poster said...you’ll revert to your training. They were trained to call 911 and wait for the police or to be slaughter which ever came first. Sad isn’t it, somewhere in there you expect to hear sheep bleating. The govts various arms have worked long and hard to train us that initiative is a bad thing. Only the govt is smart enough and has the authority to do the tough jobs. Its preferable for you to wind up dead rather than thinking for yourself and taking action.


7 posted on 08/03/2011 6:34:14 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: cripplecreek
You might also want to think about taking some responsibility in taking care of yourself and not depending on your neighbors to provide you with what you need.

In a natural disaster you might just find yourself without neighbors. Just because you are left standing doesn't mean they are.

8 posted on 08/03/2011 6:38:17 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: cripplecreek

I live among very conservative well armed neighbors in a tiny town with virtually no crime.


Good for you. Now think of not having a gun when you wake up and see someone in your bedroom with no way to defend yourself. Forget the “well armed” neighbors for you will not have time to call them while the intruder sits on a chair waiting for you to finish your call.

Very bad reasoning, very bad!


9 posted on 08/03/2011 6:38:56 AM PDT by DH
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To: marktwain

Your lone gunman scenario is not the thing to fear.

At this point in our history, the left has achieved about all they can through the political process,
as is evidenced by the awakening of the sleeping giant that is the Tea Party, resisting their political advancement.

The next stage is forced implementation of leftist/communist policies, and when We the People resist that, “it’s on”. They don’t want us to have the means or the leadership to resist. This is why they were so interested in pegging, and taking out, the “Tea Party Leader” that they could never find.


10 posted on 08/03/2011 6:40:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: IMR 4350; cripplecreek

As with prepping in general,

the better prepared EVERYONE is, the better off, and more able to help the need, everyone will be.

You should have preps enough to provide help to the truly needy (elderly, infirm, etc), and that includes having an “extra” gun.


11 posted on 08/03/2011 6:43:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Teacher wasn’t smart enough to think about it, so the little drones didn’t either.


12 posted on 08/03/2011 6:44:04 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: DH

Frightening little world you live in.

I haven’t locked my house in years and have long since lost my house key.


13 posted on 08/03/2011 6:44:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t have any desire to own a gun but have shot plenty and could get a gun in short order.

Is that your fell out of a boat claim for those monitoring FR?

14 posted on 08/03/2011 6:46:45 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: MrB
DITTOS!

Neighbors also may not include you in their plans so you better be ready to take care of yourself.

15 posted on 08/03/2011 6:49:27 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: cripplecreek; DH
I always lock my doors. I prefer it to taking a chance on being raped and killed.

I don't know anything about DH, but if DH is a woman, I strongly advise her to lock her doors and windows.

16 posted on 08/03/2011 6:49:57 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: All

a tragedy that happens in YOUR life doesn’t give you the right to control MINE....


17 posted on 08/03/2011 6:51:15 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: MrB

If I see a need to get a gun I’ll have one in a matter of minutes.

Frankly I fail to foresee any disaster, natural or man made that will require me to have a gun quicker than that. I have food stored, I’ve got wood stoves, I’ve got skills, and I’ve got a network of friends and neighbors.


18 posted on 08/03/2011 6:53:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: MrB
Good to see someone else gets it.

The lefts objective has always been absolute power, not shared power.

Absolute power cannot be achieved without violence.

19 posted on 08/03/2011 6:54:12 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

At first, when the left was so desperate to find and destroy the TP “leader”, I thought it was simply a reflection of their “top-down” worldview where all power is wielded from a centralized control authority.

But, while reading “You Can Still Trust the Communists to be Communists”, I read some interesting history of communist takeovers. They not only disarm the people, but they seek out and “disappear” anyone that shows any sort of leadership ability.


20 posted on 08/03/2011 6:59:20 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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