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House Won’t Provide 72 Hours to Review Budget Control Act (Heritage recalls Boehner's pledge)
Heritage Foundation ^ | August 1st | Rob Bluey

Posted on 08/01/2011 7:46:13 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) repeatedly criticized Democrats last year for voting on legislation that members didn’t have time to read. "Read the Bill" language was even included in the GOP's Pledge to America to ensure lawmakers would have adequate notice to review legislation.

"Neither members of Congress or the public were given time to read the trillion-dollar stimulus before it passed. Nobody read the cap-and-trade bill. Nobody read the budget. And yet Democrats approved them anyway," Boehner said in a video last year. “Every major bill should be posted online and publicly available for at least 72 hours."

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.heritage.org ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government
KEYWORDS: 0bamarigged; 72hrreview; boehner; debtdealcavein; obamarigged
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Given his track record why would anyone expect him to keep his word?


101 posted on 08/02/2011 7:36:58 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Soul Seeker
The House controls spending. Bills originate in the House. All they had to do was not authorize an increase in spending. That’s it. That was in their power. Nevermind if the media rains Hell upon their head. They had it within their power not to have their puppet strings pulled and to take it to the people. Risky? well if you want to spend decades in Congress I suppose so but if they were men and women of principle who meant what they said about debt being unsustainable and this country on verge of financial ruin they’d have done it. And that’s why I’m furious at the freshman. They “claimed” they didn’t care of re-election but were on a mission to sve this economy....didn’t take long at all for them to adapt.

Exactly right. IMHO, it is really very simple. We have largely become a nation of lazy, selfish, faithless cowards, and our leadership reflects it.

One thing is certain. Government will continue to grow. Our debt will be "sustainable" until the day it isn't. In a way, it is self limiting, because we will borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend, until no one lends us any more money. Then the spending will stop, and we will pay the piper with whatever assets we have left.

The destruction of this country is certain, was avoidable, and was caused by the majority believing in Man rather than God, and thereby losing any form of common sense. We can no longer tell the difference between up and down. The fool says in his heart there is no God. We are a nation run by fools. Comparing the likes of a Pelosi or Biden or McCain or Romney to Washington or Madison or Hamilton or Franklin illustrates how far we have fallen.

102 posted on 08/02/2011 7:50:44 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: flaglady47
The bill as I understand it, is only 74 pages long, so there’s not that much to read.

You haven't read it, have you? I'm trying to, and it's either nonsensical or outrageous.

Pages 9-16, AFAIK, authorize an increase in spending of $26T over 10 years. TWENTY SIX TRILLION DOLLARS OF NEW SPENDING! It's not "caps", it's "roofs" - encouraging spending to at least those specified levels ... which can of course be bumped further with a few strokes of a pen.

I don't yet see where the "cuts" are. In light of the aforementioned $26T, they aren't. Word is the 2012 "cuts" are $0.022T ... how the he11 is 0.08% in "cuts" vs. increases going to help?

The President, it seems, is given unilateral authority to increase the debt ceiling further. Sure, Congress can say "no", but the policy now favors raising it.

That's not herding cats, that's spraying catnip and squeaky toys.

103 posted on 08/02/2011 7:52:43 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: flaglady47
If we're going to eliminate the debt, we need to cut - that's REAL cuts as in using last year's budget and reducing spending from there, not these farcical "reductions in rate of increase" cuts. A reasonable, if generous, period for debt elimination is about a generation: 30 years. How much to cut? We need to cut $2T in 2012 over the 2011 budget, and keep it there. This Boehner Bill "cuts" $0.022T - while _increasing_ spending by $1.9T ... you see a problem here?
104 posted on 08/02/2011 8:01:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: CutePuppy
Hugo Grotius also wrote on just wars along with informal wars, not just tweaked "the balance of power" theory. In the case of just wars, the HOR, by sovereign right given by the Constitution of the United States, had the power to force the the other body of Congress and the other Branch of government to conform to their ideals. Instead they compromised, feared the unjust backlash and allowed themselves to become puppets on a (Financiers) string.

In government there is the right "thing to do", the partisan "thing to do" and compromise "thing to do". As a society we are constantly ignoring the right thing, while embracing the other two "irresponsibilities". The debt limit is there to control spending. The Federal Government has hundreds of billions in income (Taxes and what not) flowing into their coffers each month. In the event of the debt limit not being raised, the Treasury, led by the Obama administration, would direct payment to cover the Federal government expenses.

If any economic calamity occurs it should be at the expense of the present generation, not the future since they have no representation. Who voted for this debt? Everyone who is alive and over 19 years of age. The debt is a strangle hold on liberty and needs to be addressed ASAP. This compromise solves nothing except bringing a "relaxing" vacation to robbers, panderers, thieves and scoundrels in the Halls of Congress, the Presidency, and the Executive Cabinet.

As for the second type of war described by Grotius, the informal war, well, Congress and the President just extended the war, praised on this website by a bunch of GOP Party hacks. Enjoy the perpetual war on the individual, your great-great-great/great-great/great/grand-kids will thank you immensely for their current "perdictament and obligations".
105 posted on 08/02/2011 8:16:51 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“Socialism only works
in two places:
Heaven where they don’t
need it and hell where they already have it.”
-Ronald Reagan

‘The most terrifying words
In the English language are:
I’m from the government
and I’m here to help.’
-Ronald Reagan

‘I have wondered at
times about what the
Ten Commandments would
have looked like if Moses
had run them through
the U.S. Congress..
-Ronald Reagan

‘Government is like a baby:
An alimentary canal with a
big appetite at one end and
no sense of responsibility
at the other’
- Ronald Reagan

‘The nearest thing to eternal
life we will ever see on
this earth is a
government program.’
- Ronald Reagan

‘It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession.
I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first’
- Ronald Reagan

‘Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases:
If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving,
subsidize it’
- Ronald Reagan

‘If we ever forget that we’re one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.’
-Ronald Reagan


106 posted on 08/02/2011 8:43:48 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: CutePuppy

Nope, here is what we know. The American people have been screwed again.


107 posted on 08/02/2011 9:22:50 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Lazamataz; flaglady47
Look, I'm with ya. But what's with using a the Democrat gimmicks and Constitutional-Process-Erasing garbage?

Most of these gimmicks will be undone in the next all-Republican Congress, anyway (it's not really a 10-year "plan" or "budget" and it's not really binding to even this Congress if they chose to ignore it). So there is a lot of garbage in this "compromise" to make everyone unhappy, which is how the "compromise" (by definition) usually works.

But that's what happens when there is no plan or it constantly keeps changing - they put themselves in a box, and a "few days" more of this "process" would only make situation worse for them which Dems would exploit by demanding more "hidden" concessions. Fortunately, the leadership finally understood when to stop and put the Dem Senate into a no-win position of voting down the "compromise."

Let's remember, Pelosi and Reid didn't try to implement PelosiReidCare when they took over the Congress, they knew they needed a lot more. GOP is not going to undo the Obama-Pelosi-Reid-and-Hoyer (OPRAH) damage in one election and having made no real case for it to the nation and no strength in numbers to force it legislatively.

I'm PISSED!!!!!

I am with ya. There is a need and a place to vent the frustrations, but we should not let venting the emotions come at the expense of logic and understanding the process and the limits of what can be done given the circumstances which were well known well before any "plans" were made. Let's declare victory (everybody does it) and build on what we could realistically expect to get from this process (given the state of GOP in Congress) and do better in the next elections.

108 posted on 08/02/2011 10:35:52 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“Sorry, but we just didn’t have that kind of time. Instant total default. No Social Security checks. No food stamps. Wall Street panic. World coming to an end. It’s 8/2 in a couple hours.
They just had to come up with a quick way to spend more. Be grateful. They just saved the world.”

I hope you meant to place a /sc at the end of your post.


109 posted on 08/02/2011 10:53:40 AM PDT by C.O. Correspondence (...with liberty and justice for all.)
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To: dagogo redux

I greatly appreciate it. I feel yesterday I am already way behind. I will use your advice and get ready, because I think many of us know it is coming. This weekend, I was in northern maine, and I thought that would be a perfect place to buy a more suitable home for such a scenario. The land isn’t expensive and I could put a small cabin on there without breaking my bank.


110 posted on 08/02/2011 2:55:32 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: svcw

The American people are incapable of understanding this controversy or any others for that matter. Boehner admitted from the start that he would adhere to the liberal line. No one is surprised.


111 posted on 08/02/2011 3:15:43 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: ecomcon

Yes, but the American people are incapable of understanding your message here. They will fail every time politically.


112 posted on 08/02/2011 3:18:04 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I've been a voting Republican for 50 years. damn that scares me...don't know how I grew so OLD so suddenly!! and I've been a supporter...but about four years ago they lost me, and now all their mail goes through the shredder. I will privately support those I choose.

am anxiously awaiting on Palin..hope her decision is soon.

stay safe over there...take care...always follow your posts..thanks for responding to mine..

113 posted on 08/02/2011 3:41:40 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: castlegreyskull

Sounds great. Peace be with you.


114 posted on 08/02/2011 3:48:51 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Soul Seeker

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
— George Orwell (Animal Farm)


115 posted on 08/02/2011 5:04:25 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: dagogo redux

I started prepping about that same time also.

I also purchased my first gun the day after Obama was elected.


116 posted on 08/02/2011 5:06:57 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: dagogo redux

“The day I realized they sent McCain against Obama, I started.”

McCain against Obama. Ha. He probably voted for him.


117 posted on 08/02/2011 5:08:04 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: haircutter

keep in mind Michelle Bachmann voted no, and said she was going to before anyone let her know she “could” at the end of the vote.


118 posted on 08/02/2011 5:12:51 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: Wisconsinlady
my first choice is SARAH PALIN but if she does not enter the race...

Michelle Bachmann will have my total support...
Never would I vote Roomey, he is so ‘yesterday’

and I consider myself a ‘Tea Party supporter’ but as I said..maybe it is time for a THIRD PARTY...

119 posted on 08/02/2011 5:37:41 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: haircutter

Your very welcome.....


120 posted on 08/02/2011 6:00:00 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Washington, D.C. is a swamp in bad need of a full draining)
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