World Net Daily officially 7th Day Adventist?

July 24, 2011 | Self

[AnalogReigns]

I just received an email from World Net Daily advertising some books. Not unusual, as I'm on their list, and they send ads all the time. What is strange though, is the fact that all the books in this ad are religious AND take the oddball "7th-day Sabbath" position--definitely a very minority position among conservative evangelicals, and Christians of all stripes.

The ad also hints at some dark conspiracy amidst conventional Christians, accusing us of not reading the bible carefully.

Some evangelical apologists too categorize Adventism (which started with those who firmly predicted Jesus to come again in the 1840s) itself is at least an eccentric sect, following Old Testament and extra-biblical regulations, if not a cult, not unlike many others that got founded about that time.

Is World Net Daily now officially Adventist?

[Elsie]

No one can find in the Bible where Sunday replaces Saturday for the Sabbath.

I can show you where Gentiles are NOT under the LAW that was given to a SPECIFIC people. Will that help any?

[Elsie]

I work in an Adventist organization and although I am not very familiar with the religion, those I know who practice it are the nicest, most moral and upright folks I’ve come across in a long time.

We have folks on FR that say the exact same thing about MORMONs; too.

[Elsie]

According to the bald SDA preacher on Amazing Facts, “You are saved by GRACE, IF YOU KEEP THE SABATH!”

Then they MUST have stolen that from the MORMONs!

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The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
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   We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
10. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may
11. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
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[Elsie]

In Isaiah and Revelation, it is clear that we’ll be keeping the Sabbath again.

Oh?Post the verses and we see how 'clear' it is.

[Elsie]

...living God’s commandments makes me free.

Of WHAT?

[Elsie]

I’m not saying this is what happened, but it is an explanation I received once. It sounds plausible to me, but I’m so gullible...

I'll bet that the BOOK might give us a clue...

Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

[Elsie]

To do otherwise is like holding people to account for driving too fast if there are no speeding laws.

Huh?

If there is no speed limit; then, logically, there is no 'too' fast; either.

[Jonty30]

I’m typing off my Blackberry, so that’s a difficult thing to do. I believe it’s both in Isaiah 64 to 66 and the end of Revelations, where they both talk about getting together during New moons and Sabbaths.

[Elsie]

Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem

 ¹ Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” ² This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. ³ The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. ⁴ When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 ⁵ Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 ⁶ The apostles and elders met to consider this question. ⁷ After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. ⁸ God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. ⁹ He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. ¹⁰ Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? ¹¹ No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 ¹² The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. ¹³ When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. ¹⁴ Simon^[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. ¹⁵ The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 ¹⁶ “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
¹⁷ that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’^[b]—
 ¹⁸ things known from long ago.^[c]

 ¹⁹ “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. ²⁰ Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. ²¹ For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers

 ²² Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. ²³ With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 ²⁴ We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. ²⁵ So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— ²⁶ men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. ²⁷ Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. ²⁸ It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: ²⁹ You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 ³⁰ So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. ³¹ The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. ³² Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. ³³ After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. ^{[34] [d] 35} But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas

 ³⁶ Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” ³⁷ Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, ³⁸ but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. ³⁹ They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, ⁴⁰ but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. ⁴¹ He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.

[Elsie]

Get back to me when you are at a real computer.

[Jonty30]

Exactly. No law, no holding people to account.

There must have been an awareness of a law to not kill, for Cain to be willing to deny it and lie about it, even if the Scriptures didn’t explicitly spell it out.. Otherwise, Cain would have had no reason to deny or lie.

[Jonty30]

With my job, that could be days. I live off my Blackberry.

I pay through the nose too. :)

[the_daug]

Just as John wrote: John 2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: >the third day would correspond to our Tuesday and Genesis 2:2-3 the seventh day would be our Saturday. Exodus 20:8-11 reinforces Genesis so I don't see how you could say that

Actually, the day of the Sabbath is never mentioned.

[Jonty30]

You’re right. Gentiles were not to be burdened with the Law of Moses, but the law of Moses are the ceremonial laws, not the Ten Commandments.

[Jonty30]

if we’re dealing with each other and you know that I’m not going to lie to you or steal from you or harm you in any way, do you think you’d that it’d be much a bother if I stayed at your place for a week, while passing through town?

[the_daug]

So Gentile should force Seventh day Adventist or any other Seventh day Sabbath keeper to observe Sunday then? Sunday worship is a man made ordinance and is not in the Bible. Err the Sabbath (Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:) was given to man in Genesis before Abraham.

[TomasUSMC]

“So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.” Col 2:16

PRETTY CLEAR

[Don W]

Did you even read my scribblings? Because if you did, you need to learn how to interpret and understand the words that are there on the paper.

The verse you quote has less than NOTHING to do with my statement.

The boys were LEAVING a MONDAY (first day, if you prefer) meeting, and Paul held them until midnight/Tuesday morning with a speech.

What on earth are YOU talking about?

[Elsie]

There must have been an awareness of a law...

"The man has become like one of us; knowing Good and Evil..."

[Elsie]

I pay through the nose too. :)

Ouch!