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Could You Survive Another Great Depression?
Townhall.com ^ | July 21, 2011 | Paul Kengor

Posted on 07/21/2011 12:33:22 PM PDT by Kaslin

I just read two very interesting articles on the U.S. economy, written from historical perspectives. They compelled me to share my own historical perspective. And what I want to say is more about our changing culture than our economy.

One of the articles, by Julie Crawshaw of MoneyNews.com, notes that the "Misery Index"—the combined unemployment and inflation rates—made infamous under President Jimmy Carter, has hit a 28-year high. It's also 62 percent higher than when President Obama took office.

But that's nothing compared to Mort Zuckerman's article in U.S. News & World Report. Zuckerman measures the current situation against the Great Depression. He writes:

jobs, wiping out every job gained since the year 2000. From the moment the Obama administration came into office, there have been no net increases in full-time jobs, only in part-time jobs. This is contrary to all previous recessions. Employers are not recalling the workers they laid off.... We now have more idle men and women than at any time since the Great Depression.
Zuckerman is a perceptive writer who looks at economies from a historical perspective. In my comparative politics course at Grove City College, I use his article on the Russian collapse in the 1990s, which Zuckerman showed was worse than our Great Depression.

I can't say we're teetering on that precipice, but Zuckerman's article got me thinking: Imagine if America today experienced an economic catastrophe similar to the 1930s. How would you survive?

I remember asking that question to my grandparents, Joseph and Philomena. How did they survive the Great Depression?

My grandmother, never at a loss for words, direly described how her family avoided starving. Compensation came via barter. Her father, an Italian immigrant, baked bread and cured meats in an oven in the tiny backyard, among other trades he learned in the old country. My grandmother cleaned the house and babysat and bathed the children of a family who owned a grocery store. They paid her with store products. Her family struggled through by creatively employing everyone’s unique skills.

What about my grandfather? When I asked that question as he sat silently, my grandmother raised her loud Italian voice and snapped: "Ah, he didn't suffer! Don’t even ask him!"

My grandfather, also Italian, returned the shout: "Ah, you shut up! You're a damned fool!"

Grandma: "No, you're a damned fool!"

After the typical several minutes of sustained insults, my grandfather explained that, indeed, his family didn’t suffer during the depression. They noticed no difference whatsoever, even as America came apart at the seams.

Why not? Because they were farmers. They got everything from the land, from crops and animals they raised and hunted to fish they caught. They raised every animal possible, from cattle to rabbits. They ate everything from the pig, from head to feet. There were eggs from chickens and cheese and milk from goats and cows. There were wild plants.

I was captivated as my grandfather explained his family's method of refrigeration: During the winter, they broke ice from the creek and hauled it into the barn, where it was packed in sawdust for use through the summer. They didn’t over-eat. They preserved food, and there was always enough for the family of 12.

When their clothes ripped, they sewed them. When machines broke, they fixed them. They didn't over-spend. Home repairs weren’t contracted out. Heat came from wood they gathered.

And they didn't need 1,000 acres of land to do this.

They were totally self-sufficient—and far from alone. Back then, most Americans farmed, knew how to grow things, or provided for themselves to some significant degree.

That conversation with my grandparents came to mind as I read Zuckerman's piece and considered life under another Great Depression. I realized: The vast majority of Americans today would be incapable of providing for themselves. If you live in the city with no land, you'd be in big trouble. Even most Americans, who have a yard with soil, wouldn’t know what to do.

Isn’t it ironic that with all our scandalously expensive education—far more than our grandparents' schooling—we've learned so little? We can't fix our car let alone shoot, gut, skin, and butcher a deer.

Think about it: If you lacked income for food, or if prices skyrocketed, or your money was valueless, what would you do for yourself and your family?

Americans today are a lifetime from their grandparents and great grandparents. God help us if we ever face a calamity like the one they faced—and survived.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News
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To: itsahoot

If they are coming for you, take a few with you. ;)


141 posted on 07/21/2011 8:24:16 PM PDT by Redcitizen (In case of economic breakdown, make sure you have a case of Snickers candy bars.)
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To: itsahoot

That sadly, is the truth.


142 posted on 07/21/2011 10:00:22 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Kaslin
I met a guy once and asked him, what was life in the depression like: he said, "we used to eat grass. It's good with salt on it."

My parents grew up in the depression. They survived.

Of course civilization was more civil then. For one thing, there was more of a fear of God.

Now, with this generation of human animals devoid of conscience and raised with plenty, Road Warrior scenarios wouldn't surprise me, though I doubt we'll see much of. Mostly lots of pissing and moaning.

143 posted on 07/22/2011 3:53:26 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("America will cease to be great when America ceases to be good." -- Welcome to deToqueville.)
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To: PatriotGirl827

bookmark for later read


144 posted on 07/22/2011 4:23:26 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Lord Jesus, direct my mind, possess my heart, transform my life)
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To: Smokin' Joe

They’d never make it this far in a vehicle. The Pike would be blocked by wrecks and bodies before they got 10 miles from Boston. If they got as far as my place, it would be on foot, unarmed, and dropping from thirst.


145 posted on 07/22/2011 8:06:28 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: jpsb

Don’t forget the recent law making it illegal to have a garden for food. All must bow before The Messiah and beg for bread.


146 posted on 07/22/2011 8:07:36 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Eleutheria5
Or is there a shotgun that is also a rifle?

Shotguns, to the best of my knowledge, are always smoothbore, but you can buy rifled barrels for them.

Or, you can buy shells loaded with rifled slugs.

147 posted on 07/22/2011 6:11:09 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

But if you buy a rifled barrel, wouldn’t the rifling be ruined by firing shot through it?


148 posted on 07/23/2011 11:51:11 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Eleutheria5

Possibly.

That’s why you switch back to the smoothbore barrel before shooting shot.

It’s about a two-minute process, and can be done by hand on shotguns.


149 posted on 07/23/2011 5:02:20 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Also, it appears that most modern shotgun barrels have “choke tubes”, which change the barrel choke without changing the barrel.

Rifled choke tubes are available, and much cheaper than spare barrels, although they do require a device resembling a short screwdriver to change them. Again, the swap-out takes about a minute.


150 posted on 07/23/2011 5:27:32 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

But either way, whether with a rifled choke tube or barrel, the chamber is still much too big to accommodate conventional bullets, and slugs have their own rifling. Is there an insert for the chamber?


151 posted on 07/23/2011 10:42:05 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Kaslin

I was born durring the last one and the lessons learned from my parents, who did very well in the last one, will get me through the next one.


152 posted on 07/23/2011 10:45:55 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: the lone haranguer

“we would bite the bullet, default and let the chips fall where they may.”

Until those living on credit are wiped out the current state of decline will continmue well into the future.

Obama is following FDR’s destructive policys and will do nothing but guarntee long and painful destruction.


153 posted on 07/23/2011 10:50:13 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Eleutheria5

Not that I’m aware of ... if you want to shoot actual rifle ammunition through a shotgun, you’re out of luck.


154 posted on 07/24/2011 4:44:38 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

So what do you shoot through the rifled barrel? Steel slugs and shot are out. Is it small enough to accomodate .50 caliber bullets?


155 posted on 07/24/2011 7:59:47 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Eleutheria5
You would have to shoot shotgun shells loaded with slugs.

Something like this might work well.

156 posted on 07/24/2011 4:30:52 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I get the general Cabela inventory page. Can’t keep searching. It seems that the switch-off barrels and chokes have very limited ballistic advantages. People use shotguns for devastating, up-close stopping power, and people use rifles for accuracy at great distances. Slugs are a poor cousin to the Minie ball-shaped bullet. They’re heavy and have poor aerodynamics, and close up you have to aim them, which you don’t need to do with shot except very generally.


157 posted on 07/24/2011 4:45:03 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Eleutheria5

Try a general web search for “Hornady SST Sabot Slugs”.

Alternatively, this url may work:

http://www.hornady.com/store/12-ga-Slug-300-gr-FTX/


158 posted on 07/24/2011 5:08:45 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

So from what I gather, this is a copper-jacketed, smooth-sided slug with a lead (?) core? And it’s tapered like a bullet? And it’s got a 6.7 inch drop after 200 feet? I suppose that’s as close as you can get to a bullet’s trajectory with a large shotgun chamber.


159 posted on 07/24/2011 5:22:12 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Eleutheria5

I suspect the drop is actually at 200 yards, not 200 feet.

Ultimately, shotguns are not generally built as strongly as rifles, and if you want rifle performance, you’re going to have to get a rifle.


160 posted on 07/24/2011 5:31:18 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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