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To: newzjunkey

I believe they are saying that if you buy a ticket to get on a plane , you waive all rights to privacy.

I don’t have a problem with that, i have no intention of getting on one. A two week boycot of all planes flying would bring this BS to a screeching halt.


2 posted on 07/17/2011 6:42:49 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Except for certain rights that are inalienable. It doesn’t matter if one chooses to fly or not, unlawful search and seizure is a God given right that can’t be taken away.


9 posted on 07/17/2011 6:54:21 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Venturer

A two week boycot of all planes flying would bring this BS to a screeching halt.”

Wish I could agree with you but I think BO would prefer that we have absolutely no way to travel more than 40 miles from our home. Keep the folks confined and they are easier to control. He certainly does not seem to care whether airlines survive or not. The number of TSA agents that we are paying with our tax dollars does not seem to correlate in any way with the number of flights or passengers. And now they have the union to ensure their longevity.


10 posted on 07/17/2011 6:57:19 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Venturer
A two week boycot of all planes flying would bring this BS to a screeching halt.

I was just thinking the same thing, only an indefinite boycott until they disband the TSA.

11 posted on 07/17/2011 6:58:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: Venturer
A two week boycot of all planes flying would bring this BS to a screeching halt.

I believe you may be right.

15 posted on 07/17/2011 7:03:28 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("America will cease to be great when America ceases to be good." -- Welcome to deToqueville.)
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To: Venturer

I do have a problem with it because we have the fundamental right to travel and work which demands air flight a lot of times. It doesn’t matter that it is a private company when it is government regulations and rules which are forcing this invasion of our Constitutional rights of unreasonable search, etc. Israel has it right—and do a great job at security and they do NOT put just any arbitrary person through such invasive security—only those profiled which is legal, since it is using reason and Justice—the basis of our Constitution.

Muslims attacked so it is reasonable to search and punish that “group” although Marxists with their irrational PC unconstitutional ideology, would say it is illegal to profile. What are they saying? It is illegal to use reason? Yes—for Marxists, but not the US which is based on reason, logic and science (Natural Law Theory).

PC intentionally kills reason and logic, which will destroy everyone who lives by that philosophy. That is why our Marxist judges are preventing reason and logic from our legal system, starting years ago with Oliver Wendell Holmes and his insane idea that laws should be divorced from morality....an absurd idea that comes directly from John Austin and Mills and the irrational postmodernists.

Our government was founded and established with the Modern philosophy of Locke and Blackstone and it is antithetical to Postmodernism. So—we have no Constitutional amendments that switched our Constitution (yet) to this irrational state—so why are we following dictates from Marxists who infiltrated our “justice” system. Clarence Thomas and Scalia need to stand up.

They would have a right to only search those who come from Muslim countries or are suspicious by other reasonable analysis. That is in the Constitution and our rights, NOT suspendible in this instance by arbitrary, unreasonable, irrational laws.

We fundamentally can never allow people who are not suspected of anything to go through this invasive search. It is unreasonable and only belongs in a fascist Marxist country, where the sick ideology of political correctness had its origin. It is Marxism and doesn’t belong in the USA.


20 posted on 07/17/2011 7:15:21 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: Venturer

I agree. I’m done flying. Car or boat for me.


22 posted on 07/17/2011 7:18:17 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Venturer

So then it is OK to be shackled hand and foot to the aircraft seats during flight since you waived your right to freedom, correct?

And it is OK, to have all reading material you bring confiscated on the aircraft as well since you waived your 1st amendment right when you fly, correct? In fact, they can force you to pray to Allah as well, if your 1st Amendment right to the free exercise of religion is waved at the boarding gate.

And the airlines can confiscate your wallet, your luggage and other property on a whim since you waived your 5th amendment right against taking property without due process and compensation.

And for that matter you could enslave all blonde people and make them serve the meals to others since you also waive that right as well.

And since you waived your 6th amendment right to a speedy jury trial by your peers, the pilot could try and sentence you right on the plane, without legal counsel. They could fine you a million dollars for an infraction conviction right there on the aircraft because, hey, you waived your rights.

Do you see how stupid it sounds to say you have waived your rights just because you are on private property. You can’t waive your rights. They are your God-given rights. They aren’t waivable.

What we have is another progressive leftist asswipe judiciary spinning the “living constitution” to mean whatever they want it to mean. The ruling is flat wrong. Plainly wrong. You can’t be searched without reasonable suspicion and you as an individual do not have reasonable suspicion unless there is a SPECIFIC FACTUAL basis for that. Just being in line for a plane ride is not reasonable suspicion. It’s not.

This ruling is clearly unconstitutional.


27 posted on 07/17/2011 7:19:51 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: Venturer

28 posted on 07/17/2011 7:21:54 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: Venturer
By the way, you should be familiar with VIPR -- Visual Intermodal Prevention and Response. Look it up. It is the fledgling arm of the TSA that is going after other types of transportation like trains and driving. Intermodal means, trains, subways, cars, buses and boats.

Please note that this is the TRANSPORTATION Security Agency. Not the AIRLINE Security Agency. The airlines are just the first area where they have saturated their presence and taken your freedom. As soon as they can staff up the army of civilians Obama promised to make, they will have TSA personnel screening you at train & subway stations, boat terminals, and various locations you drive on the roadways. Did you really think the TRANSPORTATION Security Agency would limit its power only to airlines?

So when you say in cavalier fashion you won't be affected because you don't fly, think again. If you let TSA stand, VIPR will be everywhere. And there will be more and more acronymed agencies doing strip searches, coming to a place near you. Good luck with that.

33 posted on 07/17/2011 7:31:38 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: Venturer
I don’t have a problem with that, i have no intention of getting on one.

They put body scanners in airports, and I didn't object because I didn't intend to fly.

Then they put them in bus terminals and train stations, and I didn't object because I prefer to drive.

Then they put them at highway checkpoints and shopping malls, but by that time they were everywhere and it was too late to object.

34 posted on 07/17/2011 7:32:28 PM PDT by giotto
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To: Venturer
I believe they are saying that if you buy a ticket to get on a plane , you waive all rights to privacy.

That does seem to be what they are saying, but the court needs to do a far better job explaining why buying a ticket from a privately-owned business to get on a privately-owned airplane entitles the government to see you naked, or feel up your naughty parts.
43 posted on 07/17/2011 8:05:10 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Venturer

I thought we just had to wear a burka and we were excused? Is that just a rumor?


54 posted on 07/17/2011 8:50:14 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Venturer

“I believe they are saying that if you buy a ticket to get on a plane , you waive all rights to privacy.”
I believe they are saying that if you buy a ticket to get on a plane , you waive all rights. all rights.


58 posted on 07/17/2011 9:03:50 PM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Venturer

Ding,ding,ding, we have a winner.


59 posted on 07/17/2011 9:04:05 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Venturer

Would you agree that you waive your rights when taking a bus or train; driving your car on a public road; entering a school, shopping mall or government building? TSA is expanding its operation into many of these venues. Airports are just the beginning and the most obvious at this time. The question is where does it end?


97 posted on 07/17/2011 11:55:11 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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