Posted on 07/05/2011 11:43:43 PM PDT by neverdem
It’s not going to happen, but you can see their point.
Fox News reports today that Mexican lawmakers want the U.S. government officials behind the “Gun Walker” scandal extradited to Mexico, where they can face judgment in Mexican courts for the hundreds of people killed by the guns our Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives pushed across the border.
"I obviously feel violated. I feel my country's sovereignty was violated," Mexico Sen. Rene Arce Islas told Fox News. "They should be tried in the United States and the Mexican government should also demand that they also be tried in Mexico since the incidents took place here. There should be trials in both places."Arce is chairman of Mexico's Commission for National Security, a congressional panel similar to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.
So after we’re done grilling these characters in the United States, we hand them over to Mexico for another trial? Would they have to serve the sentences from both courts, and if so, would they get credit for time served before checking into the Mexican prison system?
Keep in mind that depending on how the Gun Walker investigation shakes out - and how loudly outbound ATF chief Ken Melson sings - the officials Senator Arce wants to perp-walk across the Rio Grande could include Attorney General Eric Holder, Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano, and maybe even President Barack Obama.
No matter how heinous the deed, it should be American courts that hold our politicians responsible for dereliction of duty. Allowing other nations, or trans-national organizations, to criminalize American policy decisions is unwise. It’s no more appealing today than it was when far-left bloggers were daydreaming about George Bush and Dick Cheney getting arrested during overseas visits and dragged off to the Hague, so they could be tried for war crimes.
[Arce’s] point of view is shared by many Mexican politicians, including Sen. Santiago Creel, a former Interior Minister and the likely presidential nominee next year of the National Action Party to succeed Felipe Calderone, also of PAN."I think we should at least try to prove that what happened in Mexico must be sanctioned by Mexican laws and under our sovereignty," Creel told us. "What can't happen is that this now ends on an administrative sanction, or a resignation. No, no, no. Human lives were lost here. A decision was made to carry out an operation that brought very high risk to human lives."
The anger of these Mexican officials is understandable. What the ATF did through its “Operation Fast and Furious” is not difficult to characterize as an act of war. There is little practical difference between this bizarre program and Iran or Syria smuggling arms to Hamas.
Fox News notes that “Mexico doesn’t completely understand Operation Fast and Furious, the American plan to help send assault rifles to Mexico as a means of exposing the gun trafficking rings that operate along the border.” The more completely Mexican and American citizens understand this program, the less they like it. Senator Creel is quite correct to note that this has gone far beyond the point where a few well-timed resignations from cut-outs and fall guys would be an acceptable ending for the Gun Walker saga.
The people responsible for this operation should be made to explain themselves to the families of both Americans and Mexicans killed by their astonishing negligence. If it can be proven that this was a political operation, intended to generate headlines useful for the American gun control movement, then they should be wearing orange jumpsuits when they do it, because they are guilty of far worse than negligence.
That's rich. Our sovereignty is a non-issue but theirs is paramount.
The administration cannot be allowed to spin this as anything other than what it was, an attempt to overturn the 2nd amendment.
Now, now, we need to avoid doing that...
Until all of the Obama Administration are doing time in Mexican prisons. Afterwards, sure, let’s see if we can get some reciprocity going.
Actually... it should be considered a violation of international laws and those guilty should be surrendered to the ‘proper authorities.’
Which is what they’d do to others, after all.
This issue certainly invokes a myriad of emotions. Our sovereignty challenged through the invasion on our southern border. But this administration has no intent to curb the attacks. Their goal is disarmament of the citizens. So in that light, the administration should be held accountable for these acts. How is this different than Libya?
In a like manner, ever Mexican consular officer and the minister of foreign affairs should be brought to America on charges of conspiracy to violate immigration law and aiding and abetting those who willingly violate that law
Let’s get real. Let’s speak the truth.
Obama was about to make a big speech about guns from America being used in Mexico, so he arranged for it to be a reality. The speech was to become the focus of attempts to take away our 2nd. Amendment rights.
The gun dealers blew it when they told the ATF what was going on and asked them to intervene. The ATF received orders to stay out of the way. A Border patrol agent got killed with one of the weapons and the deal blew up in Obama’s face.
Thats the sequence of events.
Now we have the conniving to cover up.
Obama is looking for someone to take the fall.
The Mexicans will receive a pay off
Grassley and Issa will be dealt with ,and we will go on to the next step.
Bfl.
You are correct.
Just like all of the sham “hearings” on the Clinton crimes in the 90s, there will be no one responsible for them held accountable.
Just yesterday Obama was screwing Arizona to suck up to the president of Mexico. Now they found out Obama's feds shipped weapons to Mexican drug dealers 'by accident'. All while SoS Hillary says Mexicans criminals get their guns from us, yes, because we are allowed to own guns she claimed that was causing Mexico's crime problems.
” Just yesterday Obama was screwing Arizona to suck up to the president of Mexico. Now they found out Obama’s feds shipped weapons to Mexican drug dealers ‘by accident’. All while SoS Hillary says Mexicans criminals get their guns from us, yes, because we are allowed to own guns she claimed that was causing Mexico’s crime problems. “
Hoist? Meet petard ;-)
Yeah, I think the guy in overall charge should fall on the gernade for the country. Hey, just bail him out of AF1 over Mexico City. Just forget the parachute.
On a serious note, I bet part of the agreement to let the acting ATF director take the blame is a guarantee, in writing if he has any sense, that he will not be extradited to Mexico in return for his telling the version of today’s truth approved by Obama.
“......I feel my country’s sovereignty was violated,” Mexico Sen. Rene Arce Islas told Fox News.”
Don’t talk to the U.S. about your country’s sovereignty being violated, Mexican illegals a coming into the U.S. every day and NOTHING is being done on the Mexican side to help discourage it.
This is about one stupid statement. Misprision of felony is a CRIME, not a "policy decision."
They don’t care what the philosophical purpose was, upshot was illegal arms trafficking killed scores of their people. Extradite the offenders; so long as we’re not prosecuting them, let Mexico have at ‘em.
Vote-crazed Ohaha sucking up to Mexico? Some desperate pols will do anything to get votes. Ohaha has done everything but don a sombrero and do the Mexican Hat Dance on the WH lawn.
THE FACTS ARE THESE : Mexico is calculatedly staging the "war on drugs" and other border violence -- with a hidden agenda--to loot the United States treasury. Using deceit and guile, Mexico has infiltrated the US political system, from domestic to foreign policy, as well as L/E. The Mexican govt is sending millions of Reconquista shock troops from Third Worlds over the border (illegal aliens) coaching them about taking over the US system.
It is WELL known that the Zetas ‘gulf Cartel, a former "special forces unit" of the Mexican Army, has been in operation for years and has recently been recruiting openly in Mexico. In the border city of Reynosa a banner reads, “Former soldiers sought to form armed group; good pay, $500,” “The Zetas operations group wants you, soldier or ex-soldier.” Authorities said the signs were probably an attempt to "demoralize the soldiers and police," rather than a serious recruiting effort.
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CONCLUSIONS Central America and Mexico are conning the US -----extorting US tax dollars to support Marxist/terrorist movement via the Merida Initiative----a despicable con game to arm its police and military using US tax dollars to protect terrorists and drug cartels who are moving across the border into the US. (Mexico is also the staging area for Central and South American Third Worlders, and terrorists from all over the globe, to invade the US.)
Clearly, the Mexican govt is fomenting drug violence in order to: (1) get billions of dollars in US assistance, and, (2) to help their populations flee over the border claiming they are victims of violence and need "asylum." Asylum claims gets illegals thousands of dollars in SS funds. It's a big scam---illegals are being financed and coached by Third World governments. The federales are salivating to get their dirty hands on trillions in US foreign aid---and they need a voting bloc to manipulate the US govt and loot the US Treasury.
ACTION NOW---Stop all funding for this con game. Tell your reps to stop funding the Merida Initiative scam now.
WHAT IS THE MERIDA INITIATIVE? The US Congress passed legislation in late June 2008 to provide Mexico with $400 million and Central American countries with $65 million that year for the Mérida Initiative---to fight drug wars. The initiative was announced 22 Oct 2007 and signed into law June 30, 2008
Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican and chairman of the House Oversight Committee, announced details for the second in what he said will be a series of hearings on Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious.
The hearing, set for Wednesday June 15, will examine “reckless decisions” and “tragic outcomes” as a result of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) programs. In Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious, ATF officials who reported to President Barack Obama’s Department of Justice (DOJ) allowed guns to be taken into Mexico via “straw purchasers,” or people who were eligible to purchase guns in the U.S. but were doing so with the known intention of trafficking them into Mexico.
The ultimate goal, apparently, was to attempt to track the larger Mexican drug cartels’ gun market. (Issa: ‘We do know’ decisions for Gunrunner, Fast and Furious were made in Washington) Next Wednesday’s hearing witnesses, according to an Oversight Committee release, will include Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, ATF agents, Justice Department officials and family members of dead Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.
Two AK47’s the ATF was tracking in Operation Fast and Furious were found at the scene of Terry’s death. “The reckless decisions of ATF and Justice Department officials in Operation Fast and Furious have devastated lives and put fear into communities on both sides of the border,” Issa said in a statement. “By exploring this Justice Department sanctioned program, we can better understand the flawed process surrounding the genesis and
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Seattle Gun Rights Examiner | 4 May, 2011 | Dave Workman
FR Posted by marktwain
CBS News is reporting that documents obtained by Congressional investigators looking into the Project Gunrunner scandal include a wiretap authorization from Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer dated in March 2010. LINK Read the CBS story by investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson here.
Also included in documents released by investigators is a January 8, 2010 “briefing paper” on Project Gunrunner from the Phoenix, AZ field division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The documents were released earlier today as the Senate Judiciary Committee convened for an oversight hearing on the Department of Justice.
One document indicates a Holder Asst. Attorney General, Lanny Breuer, authorized a wiretap in the controversial gun trafficking case headquartered in Phoenix.
In that case, called "Fast and Furious," multiple sources say ATF allowed thousands of guns to hit the streets, destined for Mexican drug cartels.
CBS News As reported by this column today, Attorney General Eric Holder professed considerable lack of knowledge about the Gunrunner operation, and its links to the slaying of Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry last December. That prompted the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms to call for Holder’s resignation. (Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
Anything goes when a country’s government declares it’s citizens to be suspected terrorists - enemies of the State. It is war and we are an occupied nation.
In this case, our government decided that killing a bunch of Mexicans would be worth the goal of keeping guns out of the hands of “terrorists” (citizens) in the US.
The people who cooked up this scheme of murder for police power against the US constitution and American people, should be put on trial and punished if found guilty. The enemy’s human life is cheap in a war. Our lives are cheap to the government conducting a war against us. The Mexicans are a pawn in the US government winning it’s ultimate defeat of the domestic terrorist enemy - and that would be us and our liberty.
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