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Alabama Passes Mandatory E-Verify & Immigration Enforcement Bill
NumbersUSA ^ | 6/3/2011 | lwoodham

Posted on 06/03/2011 10:10:03 PM PDT by lwoodham

Alabama Passes Mandatory E-Verify & Immigration Enforcement Bill

Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:25 PM EDT

An Alabama House and Senate conference committee agreed on a new bill, which both chambers have already passed, that requires the use of E-Verify by all businesses in the state and includes several immigration enforcement provisions. Should Gov. Robert Bentley sign the bill into law, it would become one of the largest state crackdowns on illegal immigration in the country.

The bill requires all businesses, public and private, to begin using E-Verify effective April 1, 2012. Businesses that do not comply face suspension of its business license and loss of employee expensing for state income tax purposes. All state and local businesses must be in compliance by Jan. 1, 2012 or face loss of business license and contract.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: alabama; aliens; backgroundcheck; business; contract; employee; enforcement; everify; illegal; illegalaliens; immigration; license; private; public; senate; statesrights
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To: DariusBane
Don’t let the illegals in the country. If we find them driving around, walking around, or chewing gum cart them off to the gravel pits. Don’t educate them. Don’t provide health care. Don’t let them own or rent property. Leave me alone.

And who is going to enforce the existing laws that address some of these issues? SCOTUS says we must educate illegal alien children (K-12)--Plyler vs. Doe . ERs cannot turn away patients even though the costs are bankrupting and closing such facilities. We have sanctuary cities that flaunt federal laws and suffer no consequences. And we have the Federal Government suing the state of Arizona for enforcing federal immigration laws. And we have groups like the Chamber of Commerce, ACLU, and La Raza funding suits against states that are trying to enforce the laws against hiring illegal aliens.

As Pogo said, "We have met the enemy and he is us."

61 posted on 06/04/2011 9:46:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Since when is enforcing our laws a question of ends and means?

Ever since "probable cause."

I don't know how many times I have to say it, but E-Verify is just an instrument that uses existing databases to ascertain whether a new hire is providing valid information in their job application, i.e., a valid SSN that is associated with the name of the employee.

And pray tell, oh you person who has lived in communist countries, how are those databases within the enumerated powers of the Constitution? I want them gone too.

When a cop stops someone for a traffic violation, they ask for a driver's licence.

That's "license." I would rather they were issued by the insurers, not the almighty State. The difference? The insurer is not protected by "sovereign immunity" as to whether they abuse the information.

Are you on SS? If not, wait until you have to apply to get your benefits.

Why do you think I want it gone?

62 posted on 06/04/2011 9:46:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (If term limits really worked, California would have a responsible legislature.)
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To: kabar

Scotus can say what it wants. The 2nd Amendment has a voice also.

All this tyranny works as long as people still have a lot to loose. As soon as things get bad enough that nothing is left to lose, that is when all hell breaks loose.


63 posted on 06/04/2011 9:52:32 AM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: DariusBane
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

64 posted on 06/04/2011 9:56:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: DariusBane

Loose=lose.

It’s a good thing that Engrish is my third language or I would have no excuse. Except that posting via Blackberry is bull crap! Have you seen how small the damn key board is? Can’t even see the screen!


65 posted on 06/04/2011 9:57:23 AM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Carry_Okie
You may have created your own idealized vision of reality, but it doesn't comport with the real world and this nation of 310 million people. Databases exist in all forms and spheres whether you like it or not. I guess you don't use a credit card or have a passport.

I bet you apply for your SS benefits. You will use the rationale that you paid for them. Ah, yes libertarians are a committed group until they get mugged by reality.

66 posted on 06/04/2011 10:02:31 AM PDT by kabar
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To: fwdude
And we don’t currently have the gonads to do anything about it.

Yeah. Y'all proved that to my total dissatisfaction last week.

DOJ letter:'TSA would likely be required to cancel any flight'(FEDs threaten air blockade of Texas)

Texas couldn't wait to flop over and spread 'em, after getting a scarey letter from an attorney.

Let the TSA molest our wives and daughters, blubber, blubber, but please, please, please no more scarey letters!

67 posted on 06/04/2011 10:14:59 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 863 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: Niuhuru

I live in Pennsylvania and we have a very enemic bill that just passed the Senate that uses e-verify on Pa state contracts. I emailed my reps this story and told them we need to do much better. Illegals cost Pa $728 million a year.


68 posted on 06/04/2011 10:17:16 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: lwoodham

When enough of the dwindling base of working American taxpayers and business owners get fed up with taking benefits, jobs, healthcare and food out of the mouths of their own countrymen, countrywomen and families for the sake of profit, then this stupidity will stop.


69 posted on 06/04/2011 10:27:24 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: null and void

Believe me, most of us here are just as disgusted.


70 posted on 06/04/2011 10:45:15 AM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Niuhuru; lwoodham; fwdude; Soothesayer9; DariusBane; Rick_Michael; dangus
Background checks will enable the businesses to root out the frauds from the real citizens and it’ll be perfect.

It's good that states are trying to do something about this, but DHS is not cooperating with e-verify. They don't even respond to Gov. Haley's (S Car) letters.

71 posted on 06/04/2011 10:46:19 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: fwdude

Have you, personally, written a letter to your rep?


72 posted on 06/04/2011 10:51:08 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 863 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: kabar
You may have created your own idealized vision of reality, but it doesn't comport with the real world and this nation of 310 million people.

Yeah, that ol' Constitution thingy is a real problem for you and your would be police state. Maybe you should go back to one where you belong.

Databases exist in all forms and spheres whether you like it or not.

Spoken like a true power freak. The problem for you here is that the powers you want to institute are totally unnecessary.

I bet you apply for your SS benefits.

I'll die first.

73 posted on 06/04/2011 10:56:19 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (If term limits really worked, California would have a responsible legislature.)
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To: null and void

I’m an attorney and regularly work on illegal immigrant matters. While e-verify is good, it is also a double edged sword. Why? Because most illegals today use stolen SS numbers and I.D. Cards. This means they will pass the e-verify test. It also means that the employer will be in some serious trouble if they refuse to hire someone they suspect is illegal, but who passed e-verify. In a real way, e-verify helps illegals to gain and keep employment.


74 posted on 06/04/2011 10:57:21 AM PDT by Treeless Branch
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To: lwoodham

Way to go Alabama!!!!! I wish the moonbats in control in California would do this and make this state a great place to live again. But we are woefully behind the times. It will take at least another 10 years, if at all, for enough people in this state to wake up and change course


75 posted on 06/04/2011 11:32:23 AM PDT by GR_Jr.
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To: Treeless Branch

Fair enough. Where would you start?


76 posted on 06/04/2011 11:33:39 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 863 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: DariusBane

True.

If they want predictable orderly environment they damn well better WANT
controlled border security and protection from illegal felons for starters.


77 posted on 06/04/2011 11:37:17 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (VOTE out the RATS! Go Sarah!)
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To: Quilla

Wow, I had presumed that they knew enough english to at least get directions on where to drive. Seems like they are just outright refusing to learn *any* english. I am in Louisiana atm, and my brother (much younger than I) just quit a car wash job because he hated being the only one there who spoke English. He said he always felt that the mexicans were cutting him down right in front of him.


78 posted on 06/04/2011 11:38:43 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Treeless Branch
Because most illegals today use stolen SS numbers and I.D. Cards. This means they will pass the e-verify test. It also means that the employer will be in some serious trouble if they refuse to hire someone they suspect is illegal, but who passed e-verify. In a real way, e-verify helps illegals to gain and keep employment.

Most (98 percent) Social Security number (SSN) thieves use their own names with stolen numbers. The federal E-Verify program, now mandated in only 14 states, can detect this fraud. Universal, mandatory use of E-Verify would curb this and stop virtually 100 percent of child identity theft.

The use of E-Verify should hold employers free from penalty if they inadvertently hire an illegal worker after following the prescribed procedures. It provides something of a "safe harbor."

In a real way, e-verify helps illegals to gain and keep employment

Using that convoluted logic, groups like La Raza and the Chamber of Commerce should be big supporters of E-Verify. The reality is that E-Verify works and acts as deterrence to illegal employment.

79 posted on 06/04/2011 11:44:37 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Treeless Branch
While e-verify is good, it is also a double edged sword. Why? Because most illegals today use stolen SS numbers and I.D. Cards. This means they will pass the e-verify test. It also means that the employer will be in some serious trouble if they refuse to hire someone they suspect is illegal, but who passed e-verify. In a real way, e-verify helps illegals to gain and keep employment.

And here is another question: If e-verify (plus other efforts) actually prevented illegals from working at "on-the-books" jobs, wouldn't underground, off-the-books jobs appear to replace them? Remember, they are already illegal. What do they have to lose?

Like you, I am not saying that e-verify is a bad idea. It's a start. Congress needs to make it clear that illegals who participate in identity theft face prison time. But given the current attitude of the DOJ and DHS, I don't think that would be sufficient. Watch what happens in Alabama now. The feds will do everything they can to nullify and refuse to cooperate with the new e-verify law, while continuing to sit on their posteriors WRT federal immigration enforcement.

80 posted on 06/04/2011 12:00:58 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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