Posted on 05/23/2011 12:43:41 AM PDT by Brown Deer
Rising stars of GOP in doubt because parents from overseas
Are U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal natural-born citizens of the United States, and thus eligible for the presidency?
Plotkin says Jindal's mother became a U.S. citizen Sept. 21, 1976, and his father was naturalized 10 years later on Dec. 4, 1986.
It's a similar situation for Rubio, as his press secretary Alex Burgos said the senator's parents "were permanent legal residents of the U.S." at the time Marco was born in 1971.
Then four years after Marco was born, "Mario and Oriales Rubio became naturalized U.S. citizens on Nov. 5, 1975," Burgos told WND.
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There is no doubt about McCain's eligibility. His parents were American, so he's natural born, even if born on Mars.
Try turning the question around. What if a non-American couple had a baby aboard a US warship in international waters? Would the kid be an American by reason of the 14th Amendment? If not, then the ship isn't really US territory, is it? Same logic applies to US bases in foreign lands.
As for your original question, the answer is yes, because of the citizenship of the mother. She being American, we don't have to decide whether the boat is US territory.
That also would apply to Obama, BTW, if he were somehow shown to have been born abroad. He would still be eligible because of his mother. And the oft-mentioned age requirement on the mother would not apply because her marriage was invalid on account of BHO, Sr.'s bigamy.
In order to prove Obama ineligible, you would have to show not only that he was born abroad but also that some floozy from Liverpool, for instance, was his mother, and not Stanley Ann, born in Kansas. And then you'd have to get a majority of the House and 67 senators to agree to oust him. None of that is going to happen.
Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen of the USA; never has been, never will be; not in this lifetime; not in a past one; and probably not in a future lifetime.
Posted on 05/01/2010 1:22:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
One of the constitutional requirements for the office of the presidency is that he be a "natural born citizen." This was put into place by the founders to keep foreigners or persons who do not bear a non-questionable allegiance to the US Constitution out. Obviously, and admittedly Barack Hussein Obama was born to a foreign citizen and is not 100% American. He's half-American, half-African and all Marxist. He obviously bears no allegiance whatsoever to the US Constitution and is working overtime to destroy it. He's a usurper and should be removed from office. He is exactly the kind of fraud/usurper the founders feared.
You forgot to mention that Ark was for a native born..Not Natural born ;)
Bikk
Correct.
I totally agree.. something strange in going on here.. many of us have been with this since 2008 (I usually keep low on the radar, but anyone that want can looks pages back in my history)...
When I clicked into this thread, I was surprised also at the names of the after-birthers! I know them from other subjects, but it seems that they pulled together all at once to pinpoint on this subject.. definitely odd...
Ok.. going back off radar...
Bikk
The birther movement forked about the time of the election. Before the election, the birther line was, his CoLB is forged, he wasn't born in the US, his mom wasn't old enough to pass on citizenship, so he's not eligible, yada yada.
Then, about 11 December 2008, somebody trotted out Emmerich de Vattel and forked the birthers into two: the ones who say he's not a citizen because he wasn't really born here and the ones who say NBC requires two citizen parents. The latter appears to be new, as of a post-election thread. LOL!
Of course, I could be wrong about that. But, then, it should be simple to post a link to a thread prior to the election where the alternative (and equally bogus) line was pushed.
One entertaining irony is that anything that proves BHO, Sr. was truly his daddy (as he stipulated years before the election to the tune of having a book ghost-written about it by the natural born traitor Billy Ayers) bolsters the NBC definition wing at the expense of the fake BC wing. More entertainment!
I have a hard time believing that a whole generation of people had this knowledge, and yet they said nothing until it was too late to do something about it.
It is very hard for me to believe also. It is even harder for me to believe that the voters were duped into electing a man raised and mentored by communists to the most powerful post in the world. Yet this and many other hard to believe travesties are true.
Well, they're liberals, after all.
I am well over 50 and attended excellent schools as a child. We were taught that “natural born” meant “not naturalized.” If you were born on US soil, you were natural born. If either of your parents was a citizen, you were natural born.
That’s what we were taught back then.
I hate to tell you, but your mind is playing tricks on you. It happens to a lot of us oldsters. You might think about getting some type of checkup that includes a test of your cognitive abilities. It is very unlikely that they taught you that in school, not even the most liberal progressive school; because neither of these scenarios makes any sense. You are making it up to fit what you want to believe now.
Answer just one question for me. Why did the Democrats make a big deal out of the circumstances of John McCain's birth if he could be born anywhere with just one citizen parent and still be considered natural born? Both of his parents were United States Citizens. His did was an admiral in the Navy. Either you are confused about what you were taught or your school and your parents didn't teach you right and wrong very well, because lying is considered bad by most of us.
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sand lake bar, “Sorry, the Muslim friends and family members I have are not Nazis, they love America. I’m wondering how many Muslims you actually know personally.”
I don't have any family members who are Muslims as you do, but I have known some Muslims personally, and what I learned from them is frankly... scary.
Most notably... My wife hired a bus driver about ten years ago for her activity program at a large multilevel retirement center. He was from Somalia and he was a Muslim. He hated America and everything that our country stands for. He was only here to make money to send back to his wives and many children in Somalia.
Most people had a hard time getting along with Abdul, but I treated him well and talked to him many times, because I wanted to know what made him and his friends tick. He confided in me on many occasions. By the time my wife finally had to fire him for lying and fighting with other employees and residents, I had learned a lot more than I wanted to about him and his friends. I can tell you that he had no sympathy in the least for the victims of the 9-11 attack on our country. He considered the perpetrators martyrs and admired them greatly.
I am not optimistic about large groups of Muslims in this country ever fully integrating and becoming true Americans. If anyone here wants to know how Abdul and his friends felt about us, they ought to watch the English comedy movie, Four Lions. It is available for “instant watching” on the computer through Netflix. It is meant to be funny, but some of the characters are chillingly accurate.
It is no wonder to me that you are here advocating a definition of “Natural Born Citizen” that is basically all inclusive. You have... according to you, Muslim family members and friends. I suppose that some of them would not be considered Natural Born Citizens by the majority of us on Free Republic. Maybe this is hard for you to accept?
Just two points. My belief about who is a natural born citizen comes from my schooling, which goes way back before I even knew what a Muslim was. Disagree if you like, but I’ll bet money that if the case was before the current US Supreme Court, a larger than 5-4 majority would rule in Obama’s favor.
My beliefs about Muslims also comes from my experience and my awareness that there are bad people in every social group (including white conservatives). Moreover, you’ll note that Muslims integrated quite well into American society for decades before the radical element reared its ugly head in the mid to late 1970s. I still maintain that the majority of American Muslims are just as loyal to this country as any other religious or ethnic group.
By the way, I went to a normal public school in a working class suburb.
Oh, one more. The Democrats did NOT make a big deal out of McCain’s citizenship other than to assert that he was indeed a natural born citizen.
This is similar to what occured with George Romney back in 1968.
Regarding your other remark about “were you taught that two illegal...,” no, I wasn’t taught that explicitly. But I was taught that under nearly every circumstance, the law holds that people born in this country are citizens. I’m not aware of any strong case law indicating otherwise or that they are not also natural born.
You must be willfully ignorant. There were scores of Democrats making a very big deal about McCain's status as a Natural Born Citizen. I do not have time to go back and find links to news stories and columns for you right now, but the original "birthers" were Democrats going after McCain. McCain has been used as a tool by the left for many years; I have to give the Democrat leadership credit for utilizing him well especially when it comes to using him for cover for Obama's questionable status. It was masterful and I am certain that the backrooms have been filled with laughter on many occasions.
Regarding your other remark about “were you taught that two illegal...,” no, I wasn’t taught that explicitly. But I was taught that under nearly every circumstance, the law holds that people born in this country are citizens. I’m not aware of any strong case law indicating otherwise or that they are not also natural born.
I appreciate your candor, but "I’m not aware of any strong case law indicating otherwise or that they are not also natural born." is a much different statement from your previous assertions about what you were taught in school.
I think you’re the one who needs to brush up on recent history. No serious Democrat ever claimed that McCain was ineligible to run for president. I recall the mild murmur of stories in that regard, but none were treated seriously. So your claim is really not valid.
Also, I’m not backing off anything. What I was taught in school is essentially what I believe any court will rule should such a case arise.
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