Posted on 04/23/2011 8:53:56 PM PDT by freepguy
I'm trying to get the facts that show why the USA got into WW1. As I can tell, Wilson was president. The US was neutral...did not want to get involved. Britian and the Allied Powers were losing the war against the Central Powers. The Balfour Declaration promised a Jewish state in Palestine. The Lusitana was armed and ordered to attack German U-boats. Propaganda was created to convince American populace that Germany needed to be conqered.
Can anyone help me get more info on the subject?
Thanks. FG
Two things. The resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare and the Zimmerman telegram.
Did the Zionist movement in america have anything to with it?
I’m just trying to get different opinions.
Why is it hard to believe? Germany was one of our largest trading partners before the war. We had a huge German population and had always had a peaceful relationship with Germany. If Germany had not lost the war there would have been no Hitler and no Soviet Union. If the US had not joined the war Britain and France would have been forced to enter into a negotiated peace, probably as early as 1916. Five or six million men would have lived, including a million British. Perhaps the British Empire would not have collapsed leaving dozens of tin pot dictators behind. All of the current problems in the Middle East stem from the victors scramble for loot at the end of WWI - even Osama Bin Laden says so. It's easy for me to see how the US could have benefited from a different outcome to that war.
Good post.
The Brits spoke out of both sides of their mouths with Sykes-Picot & the Balfour Declaration, one to the Arabs and one to the Jewish Homeland ressurection.
Worst/most powerful thing I ever read about WWI in general was “All Quiet on the Western Front” Remarque. The description of injured horses still sticks in my mind, decades later.
I met WWI vets as a child. To a man, they never spoke of it.
What I was taught was that it was a war for markets and power, as in a power shift. Of course, now we simply go in somewhere for ‘humanitarian’ reasons.
It was the Germans who sent the Bolsheviks back into Russia. Lenin and his crew were in Switzerland until the German High Command put them on a special train and delivered them to the Finland Station. The Czar had already abdicated when America declared war and the Revolution was the reason for the abdication.
So it is likely that we would have had a Soviet Union in any case since the Bolsheviks were the most determined, ruthless and organized of any of the forces making the Revolution. It seems a good bet that they would have seized power no matter what was happening further west.
Obama believes we had 55 states when we entered WWI.
Barbara Tuchman’s “Guns of August” was a good one, too.
Until this moment, I hadn’t quite realized just how many war stories/books I’ve read. Hmmmmm.
No. Zionism had little or no influence in America.
The truth is that Woodrow Wilson got us into the war because he saw it as an opportunity to enact “war socialism” in the US.
Lemmy of Motorhead, of all people, probably wrote the most poignant lyrics about WWI
1916 - Motorhead
16 years old when I went to the war
To fight for a land fit for heroes
God on my side and a gun in my hand
Chasing my days down to zero
And I marched and I fought and I bled and I died
And I never did get any older
But I knew at the time that a year in the line
Was a long enough life for a soldier
We all volunteered and we wrote down our names
And we added two years to our ages
Eager for life and ahead of the game
Ready for history’s pages
And we brawled and we fought and we whored till we stood
Ten thousand shoulder to shoulder
A thirst for the hun, we were food for the gun
And that’s what you are when you’re soldiers
I heard my friend cry and he sank to his knees
Coughing blood as he screamed for his mother
And I fell by his side and that’s how we died
Clinging like kids to each other
And I lay in the mud and the guts and the blood
And I wept as his body grew colder
And I called for my mother and she never came
Though it wasn’t my fault and I wasn’t to blame
The day not half over and ten thousand slain
And now there’s nobody remembers our names
And that’s how it is for a soldier
I did my thesis on this subject. The bottom line was that English and American banking interests (both Jewish and non-Jewish as lead by J.P. Morgan, who was not a lover of Jewish people) lent millions of dollars to the British government so that they could fight the war. The war was over empire, pure and simple. The British had the empire and the Germans wanted in (no good guys). Various American interests tried to stop the banks from lending the money because they knew that if the British started to lose the war, America would be drawn in to save “Morgan’s millions.” J.P. Morgan was and largely still is, the heart of the American banking system so there was systemic risk. The war stalled to a bloody draw by 1916 and in comes the American army. To fully appreciate this very complicated issue you must make a study of German history going back to Roman times and it helps a lot if you are fluent in German and you don’t take British history as it is commonly taught in the schools too seriously. Good luck.
I'm still trying to figure out what got the U.S. into a war with Libya? Did we have a dumba$$ for President then, too?
That was the point made in my college US Foreign Relations class by our instructor: Wilson sided with the Allies eventually because he saw the ability for Americans to travel freely was a human right. The loss of this right bothered him more than the economic rights taken away from the Central Powers by the Allied blockade.
Blackwater, you must be mistaken. It had to be Halliburton.
I did my thesis on this subject. The bottom line was that English and American banking interests (both Jewish and non-Jewish as lead by J.P. Morgan, who was not a lover of Jewish people) lent millions of dollars to the British government so that they could fight the war. The war was over empire, pure and simple. The British had the empire and the Germans wanted in (no good guys). Various American interests tried to stop the banks from lending the money because they knew that if the British started to lose the war, America would be drawn in to save “Morgan’s millions.” J.P. Morgan was and largely still is, the heart of the American banking system so there was systemic risk. The war stalled to a bloody draw by 1916 and in comes the American army. To fully appreciate this very complicated issue you must make a study of German history going back to Roman times and it helps a lot if you are fluent in German and you don’t take British history as it is commonly taught in the schools too seriously. Good luck.
I stand corrected. ;-)
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What was the conclusion of your thesis...in a paragraph or two?
The USSR was not in existence till just before we entered WWI, and they were pretty busy with the White Red Civil War. Besides, they were at peace with Germany.
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