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Exo-evolution: Aliens who hide, survive
New Scientist ^ | 08 April 2011 | Mark Buchanan

Posted on 04/14/2011 11:28:49 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode

Has ET evolved to be discreet? An evolutionary tendency for inconspicuous aliens would solve a nagging paradox – and also suggest that we Earthlings should think twice before advertising our own existence.

He argues that it's plausible that there is a competition for resources on a cosmic scale, driving an evolutionary process between alien species on different planets.

If so, the universe would be a violent place, and evolutionary selection may favour the inconspicuous – those who lie low on purpose...

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: darwin; darwinism; evolution; xplanets
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Amazing! Darwinism can even explain why we don't see space aliens! All along I thought it's because there aren't any aliens, but Darwin set me straight!
1 posted on 04/14/2011 11:28:51 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

It’s a weak theory. The distances between stars are so vast that you spend too much to try and fight over it.
It’s more likely that the conditions for intelligent life are so rare and the time they broadcast so short we will be lucky indeed to find one.


2 posted on 04/14/2011 11:59:32 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

This has been postulated in science fiction a number of times. There were even talked about in the form of “laws”.

Here’s the way I remember them. Someone else might correct me if they are familiar with what I am talking about.

1. Nice guys do not make top dog. Any species that manages to fight it’s way to the top of a planetary food chain is going to be tough, aggressive and resourceful. If they manage to develop technology sufficient to leave their planet and travel interstellar, they will have defense capabilities that match.

2. Their survival will always be more important than our survival and if there is any question at all as to whether we may be a threat, they can be expected to act as if we ARE a threat.

There was a third one, but I don’t remember it.

Based on that, it’s probable, in my view, that an emerging intelligent race would be well advised to keep its collective head down until it had a better handle on the people in the neighborhood.


3 posted on 04/15/2011 12:01:47 AM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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...vehicles such as NASA's two Voyager probes...

Our broadcast signals are much easier to find. By the time any Aliens do find a space probe Moslems or Socialists will probably have ended civilization anyways.

4 posted on 04/15/2011 12:04:51 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Nateman

It also assumes (implicitly) that all alien species evolved from a common ancestor.


5 posted on 04/15/2011 12:04:55 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ronin
an emerging intelligent race would be well advised to keep its collective head down until it had a better handle on the people in the neighborhood.

Odd that you can give the same advice in a few minutes which took the aliens billions of years to discover by random mutation and natural selection.

6 posted on 04/15/2011 12:07:49 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

How does that work again ?


7 posted on 04/15/2011 12:09:04 AM PDT by MetaThought
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
They do their best to blend in with the other aliens.

Illegal Aliens

8 posted on 04/15/2011 12:15:14 AM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: MetaThought

Well, if one says that X’s “evolve”, one means of course by natural selection and so on. So the X’s must all be related by heredity, since it makes no sense to speak of evolution or natural selection of traits which are not hereditary. Different species of aliens must have arose from common ancestors. Some had the “proclaim our existance loudly” gene and others had the “lay low” gene. Presumably the former got wiped out and the latter reproduced to fill the galaxy with more such introverted species. This is all idiotic of course.


9 posted on 04/15/2011 12:15:17 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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10 posted on 04/15/2011 12:18:39 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Ronin

Any technology that’s likely to be able to get a faraway creature here that would be interested in Earth, is probably first likely to allow that creature’s population to exploit closer and harsher planets than Earth. It would be the same with mankind, it would be easier to colonize the moon and Mars on a large scale than to go looking for possible additional Earth-like sites to move into several dozen or more light years away, and then at such a remove to mow down that site’s inhabitants. And even then what do you do about the extraterrestrial microbes, meaning that the science of medicine has to be embrace a whole new, unknown area? No it is not a practical worry.


11 posted on 04/15/2011 12:25:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

If you can travel anywhere near lightspeed, all you have to do is let go of a hundred pound piece of junk at that speed, maybe an old refrigerator or something, and watch your country-sized target get vaporized.

Then you don’t have to hide from anyone.


12 posted on 04/15/2011 12:32:56 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Oh, fergawdsake. It's the New Scientist, whose stories (I use the term quite intentionally) are neither novel nor remotely scientific. Not to mention being the latter-day equivalent of mimeographed street-corner hand-outs for OwlGork's global scammery. Waste. Of. Electrons.
13 posted on 04/15/2011 12:51:26 AM PDT by Tenniel2 (Ignore politics and you'll end up being governed by your inferiors. -- Plato)
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I wonder - did they “evolve” the lay-low traits before moving out into the universe? If so, why would they bother?


14 posted on 04/15/2011 3:35:52 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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If you can travel anywhere near lightspeed, all you have to do is let go of a hundred pound piece of junk at that speed, maybe an old refrigerator or something, and watch your country-sized target get vaporized.

At that speed, wouldn't the refrigerator burn up on entry into earth's atmosphere?

15 posted on 04/15/2011 4:16:56 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
'Stay Low...Move slow...Try not to attract attention'


Yeah...Thats the Ticket!
16 posted on 04/15/2011 4:23:10 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Nateman

I think Arthur C. Clarke came closest to the truth in “2001 - A Space Oddessy”. Once races achieve a certain level of technical sophistication, it may be a short time before they no longer require their physical bodies and self-evolve to a new plane of existence. I have a feeling this metamorphosis may occur in anywhere from 1000-5000 years. Once a race reaches that “G-d Plane”, the lust for wealth and conquest might fade and give way to other things. The kickoff for this period might be an invention that causes a great technological leap forward (e.g., printing press, steam engine, integrated circuit, etc). Given the age of the universe, this is a very short window for other races to discover each other.


17 posted on 04/15/2011 4:44:01 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: trebb
I wonder - did they “evolve” the lay-low traits before moving out into the universe? If so, why would they bother?

Which?

1. If so, why would they bother to "evolve" the lay-low traits before moving out?
2. If so, why would they bother to move out into the universe?
18 posted on 04/15/2011 4:48:55 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
"He argues that it's plausible that there is a competition for resources on a cosmic scale, driving an evolutionary process between alien species on different planets."

Ridiculous. There are so many resources in the Oort Clouds around solar systems that it is unlikely for any solar-originating civilization to ever use them up.

19 posted on 04/15/2011 5:12:01 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Tenniel2

The same can be said for any general-circulation publication with “Science” in the title. They’ve all been taken over by leftist loons. I pretty much no longer get printed magazines because of that. The SOLE exception is “Backwoods Home” magazine, which is VERY conservative, though from a libertarian perspective.


20 posted on 04/15/2011 5:16:06 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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