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NJEA president at rally accuses Gov. Christie of trying to start a 'middle-class civil war'
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Posted on 02/25/2011 12:40:51 PM PST by Sub-Driver

NJEA president at rally accuses Gov. Christie of trying to start a 'middle-class civil war' Published: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:30 PM Updated: Friday, February 25, 2011, 3:25 PM Matt Friedman/Statehouse Bureau

TRENTON — In front of a crowd of thousands of protestors, the president of the state’s largest teachers union accused Gov. Chris Christie of trying to foment a civil war within the middle-class.

“All of New Jersey’s middle-class is hurting, but this governor and his right-wing supporters are trying to start a middle-class civil war,” said New Jersey Education Association President Barbara Keshishian.

As she spoke, thousands of public workers filled the street in front of the Statehouse, wearing ponchos and holding umbrellas to keep as dry as possible in the pouring rain. State Police estimated the crowd at 3,100.

The rally, organized by the state AFL-CIO, was both aimed at pushing back against benefit concessions demanded by Christie, and in support of Wisconsin public unions, who are fighting Gov. Scott Walker’s attempt to roll back their collective bargaining rights.

In his budget address earlier this week, Christie said private sector workers “support the rich benefits of public employees.” He’s pushing for major givebacks from the workforce, including paying more towards their health premiums and downgrading future pension benefits.

Local union officials spoke one after another at today’s rally, each handing over checks to Wisconsin AFL-CIO Secretary-Treasurer Stephanie Bloomingdale, who told the crowd “our fight is your fight, and our fight is for the middle-class.”

The featured speaker, national AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, compared Christie to Walker and other Republican governors, saying “they were not elected to dictate.”

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To: Sub-Driver
The democrats see that the republicans have found an even more effective type of class warfare than they use, and that is what irks them. This government workers versus non-government workers middle class fight is a winner for the GOP. It is much more effective than the rich class warfare the democrats use.
21 posted on 02/25/2011 2:23:37 PM PST by HwyChile
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To: Sub-Driver
NJEA president at rally accuses Gov. Christie of trying to start a 'middle-class civil war'

"...when he's supposed to be surrendering unconditionally like every other spineless RINO!"

22 posted on 02/25/2011 3:35:32 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s not about whatever they say it’s about.
They want a fight.
It’s human nature to struggle against...something.
Given the highest wages and best benefits any group of workers could ever have hoped for in history, they have everything they want.
Except a fight.
So, given the slightest pretense, they do what they most want to: accuse others of oppression, yell, bang drums and act stupid.

Agent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.
- The Matrix


23 posted on 02/26/2011 6:40:44 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: LibFreeUSA; Sub-Driver
Typically "progressive" tactic of projection - accusing your enemy of doing exactly what they themselves have been doing all along.

The "middle-class civil war" is in reality the war against middle class (bourgeoisie) by the powerful government elite, and has been waged by the "progressives" since the movement started.

It's the "vampire class" of the government feeding on the involuntary "blood donor class" of productive population.

The development of the unholy alliance of unions, Democratic party, "progressives" and mafias in the USA has been aptly depicted in the Once Upon a Time in America (1984).

Bourgeoisie du monde, unissez-vous! - Middle class of the world, unite!

24 posted on 02/26/2011 11:00:34 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Sub-Driver
nooooooooooo... TaxPAYERS vs TaxTAKERS!!!
25 posted on 02/26/2011 11:20:07 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Sub-Driver

he is trying to SAVE the middle class..... which the unions can’t stand!


26 posted on 02/26/2011 11:31:38 AM PST by bareford101 ("Aslan's on the move." The Last Battle-CS Lewis)
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To: norton

Good point. Middle Class is much more than just your income level. The vast majority of people in the Middle Class do not behave the way the union goons are acting.

Middle Class people, by and large, have CLASS. The thugs do not.

No, the union thugs are NOT Middle Class.


27 posted on 02/26/2011 11:43:23 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Sub-Driver
The only ones protesting are the unions. They're only about 12% of the population, and most of them are social parasites. The other 88% of the population isn't there, because they don't care what the unions want.
Screw the unions. They don't represent the majority.
28 posted on 02/26/2011 12:10:01 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Noumenon

Really; these teachers’ unions have VERY publicly declared war on middle-class taxpayers, and they know the odds are NOT in their favor. They are trying to squeeze blood from a stone; they’ve already impoverished NJ’s middle class, which continues to flee from the property tax onslaught. What will remain in NJ (illegal aliens, the permanent underclass, and government employees) is not a viable tax base.


29 posted on 02/26/2011 2:55:52 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: CutePuppy

Well put; this country is made up of people who pay into the government and those who draw from those funds (whether government worker, welfare queen, whatever).


30 posted on 02/26/2011 2:58:49 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: RC one

Yes they deserve “to make a living.” However, making a living does not include screwing the tax payers through excessive time off, excessive paid health plans, excessive use of “disability” when you know they are full-of-it, excessive salary relative to what they do and extremely excessive retirements retirement packages. They need to stop slurping the slop at the public trough. People aren’t going to be feeding them unlimited slop anymore. Wake up to reality. Stop squealing, you self-entitled public “servants”. I know they ALL work so hard, they ALL are so competent in whatever they do, they ALL as so indispensable, they ALL sacrifice as public “servants”, they ALL could earn so much more money in private industry (excuse me...I just threw up) and they ALL are irreplaceable because of the complexity of their jobs.


31 posted on 02/26/2011 3:33:06 PM PST by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: LibFreeUSA

I’ve met many “workers” like that. Do-nothing wasters with a bad attitude protected by the union.


32 posted on 02/26/2011 4:08:26 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: RC one
You're talking about teachers, nurses, cops, firemen, as well as a host of other professionals. They do deserve to earn a living.

I have a right to the property I own. I have a right to the fruit of my own leader. Governments are instituted to secure my unalienable rights. Stealing my money to give to a teacher to "educate" someone else's child is a violation of my rights. No taxpayer money should be given to either teachers or nurses.

33 posted on 02/26/2011 6:11:31 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot

I have a right to the fruit of my own labor.

my bad


34 posted on 02/26/2011 6:12:52 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot

Some of these professions are legitimate functions of Government. The important thing is the abolition of public-sector unions.


35 posted on 02/27/2011 1:58:12 AM PST by agere_contra (Historically every time the Left has 'expanded its moral imagination' the results have been horrific)
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To: hal ogen

There is a big difference between “making a living” and “earning a living”; by measures of productivity/results NJ teachers don’t earn minimum wage. While many teachers have a list of reasons why their students don’t learn (some of which are valid), they have no response when you concur with their assessment and ask why we’re paying teachers if there are no results anyway. If we absolve the teachers of responsibility for the outcome, can we then proceed to use security guards to simply hold the children for 6 hours a day?


36 posted on 02/27/2011 4:56:23 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: LibFreeUSA

Commie fisters.


37 posted on 02/27/2011 5:06:44 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Sub-Driver
NJEA president at rally accuses Gov. Christie of trying to start a 'middle-class civil war'

Here's what he's really saying: "Our 'middle-class' public sector employees are deriving their income and all their benefits from taxes taken from the rest of the NJ middle class. Christie is pointing out to the non-public sector middle class that their income and quality of life are decreased to benefit the 'middle class' public sector employees and that public sector pensions wrangled by 'middle class' public sector employees through their unions' financial support of Democrat politicians using money obtained from union dues obtained from public-sector unionized salaries obtained from public money obtained from taxes mostly from the private sector middle class is going to wreck the state and the livelihood of all those private sector middle class folks. That evil guy is trying to start a civil war."

Sounds to me like Christie is pointing out a scam that needs to be stopped dead in its tracks.
38 posted on 02/27/2011 5:13:02 AM PST by aruanan
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To: kearnyirish2
they have no response when you concur with their assessment and ask why we’re paying teachers if there are no results anyway.

Why are the results sooooo abysmal in many government schools? The following are possible answers:

Do Prussian-model schools work? Do we really know the answer to this question? Where are the studies proving it!

Perhaps the only thing that these prison-like schools are doing is sending home a tuition-free curriculum for the parents and children to follow in the HOME.

Perhaps children from functional families learn because the parents and the child himself are AFTERSCHOOLING!

Maybe, for generations, we have been sending children into these prison-like institutions and THEY DO NOT WORK for ANY child! Where are the studies that prove that they do work?

I have asked this question, "Where are the studies!", many times, and **no** so-called "educator" has ever provided the studies that show what learning was acquired in the classroom and what was learned IN THE HOME!

If we absolve the teachers of responsibility for the outcome,

If I were attempting to sell a service in my own private business, I would want to know that the service had the **outcome** that I promised!!! If my private business service had a poor outcome, I would soon be out of business.

In government education, no teacher has ever provided me with the studies that PROVE that all this effort and taxpayer treasure spent in these expensive kiddie-prisons actually provides the **outcome** promised!

can we then proceed to use security guards to simply hold the children for 6 hours a day?

Yes, exactly!

If we were to **study** the problem of **where** children learns, and **who** is doing the hard work ( parent, child, friends of the family, hired tutors, teacher, etc.) we might find that government school has little to nothing to do with the child's success at learning!

An academically successful child may be successful IN SPITE of the time wasted in these prison-like structions. His success may be due to effort found entirely outside the school and IN THE HOME.

If academic success is due to the functional parent and child's resources and work done IN THE HOME, then it is **idiocy** to expect that children from dysfunctional families will have any success in these Prussian-model and prison-like "schools". We might as well hire security guards to babysit.

I ask these questions because I was the doctor in and owner of a large health clinic. Throughout my career, I had the opportunity to know, likely, thousands of families.

I ( anecdotally) observed that the parents of academically successful children, whether homeschooled or institutionalized, were doing the **SAME** things in the home. They had the same home habits, and the children ( whether home or institutionally schooled) were spending the same amount of time in "at the kitchen table" learning activities. Both sets of parents ( home or institutionally schooled) were getting the same types of outside help when needed. They hired tutors; asked help from neighbors, friends, and relatives; and organized study groups ( this was especially true for homeschoolers and older institutionalized children from foreign countries.)

My conclusion: The **real** hard work of learning was happening IN THE HOME. The institutional school was sending home a curriculum.

So...Again, why can't "professional" and so-called "educators" provide the studies that PROVE their service has an effective OUTCOME??? They can't provide the studies because the studies have never been done! We are spent taxpayer fortunes on a educational scheme that has never been tested or proved effective!!!

When spending tax dollars on education we MUST know the answer to this basic question. Why?

Answer:

If learning is due to the efforts of the parents and child IN THE HOME, then it is likely that putting children from functional families in prison-like settings actually artificially retards their academic and social development. They might be better off academically and socially if they spent MORE time AT HOME!

If our current Prussian-like model is ineffectual then we need to start thinking about entirely new models of education for the children of dysfunctional families. The KIPP-schools and other charters who are having success with children from dysfunctional family seem to be attempting to duplicate in the school what normally happens in the homes of children from functional families.

39 posted on 02/27/2011 6:01:33 AM PST by wintertime
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To: aruanan
Sounds to me like Christie is pointing out a scam that needs to be stopped dead in its tracks.
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Every governor in this nation should go further.

Every governor should demand that government school “educators” **prove** with scientifically controlled studies that their services are effective and actual produce the outcomes promised!

Questions:

1) Where are the studies the PROVE government schools work at all?

2) How much is due to the efforts of parents and children IN THE HOME?

3) Are government kiddie prisons ( oops! “schools”) merely sending home a tuition-free curriculum for the parents and child to follow IN THE HOME?

It is my observation ( anecdotal) that there is little difference between the home and study habits of academically successful institutionalized children and homeschoolers! Both academically successful home and institutionalized children are spending the **SAME** amount of time working at a kitchen table or bedroom desk, and both home and institutionalized successful children have parents who value education who provide an academically rich environment for their children.

My conclusion: If anyone knows an academically successful childrn, either home or institutionally educated, then that child has done nearly all of the hard work IN THE HOME!

So....Where are the studies that difinitively PROVE where learning has happened? **WHO** is doing the hard work? Is it the prison guard ( oops! “teacher”) or is it the parents and the child with outside tutoring help from friends, family, paid tutors, and/or study groups?

If government schools are ineffective in providing the outcomes promised then:

** Academically successful children are wasting a lot of their lives in these prison-like structures. The government school may actually be retarding their academic and social progress. These kids might be far better off if they spent less time in their institutional school and more time IN THE HOME.

** It is complete idiocy to expect any success for children from dysfunctional families if they attend these prison-like schools. How we educate these children needs a fresh approach. ( By the way, KIPP schools are having success. What are they doing?)

40 posted on 02/27/2011 6:18:48 AM PST by wintertime
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