Posted on 02/19/2011 8:58:52 AM PST by macquire
re: “It’s not class envy to point out that many . . . public school teachers make salaries that far exceed wages of many of the parents in the school districts which employ those teachers . . .”
I’m not sure it’s necessarily “class envy”, but I do think basing teacher salaries on what their student’s parents make is ridiculous. Should doctors that work in county medical facilities not make more than the average salaries of their patients? Or civil engineers not make more than the people who drive on the city streets that they helped design?
I’m not saying the skills required to be a teacher are on the same level as a doctor, but criticizing teacher salaries because they are higher than that of the parents is absurd.
Salaries should, among other things, at least take into account that state or county’s cost of living, the comparable wages paid to teachers locally and nationally in both the public and private sectors, the training and experience of the teacher, the performance reviews by administrators, and, most importantly, what that particular state can reasonably afford to pay based on its budget income.
I don’t believe unions are needed and only make things worse. I don’t think that “step” salary increases are right either - thats what unions came up with to keep bad teachers from being penalized.
I'll let his private sector employer be the judge of his worth. As long as tax dollars don't subsidize his pay, who but a socialist would care?
I doubt you find many Freepers who were in favor of TARP bailouts from the public treasury. Outside of that it is really not our business how much private firms and businesses choose to pay their employees.
Teachers salaries are coming out of my budget. Every year we are bombarded with the message that we must give more money to schools, attached to it the lie that teachers, our public servants are underpaid. This data puts the lie to that claim by revealing that public school teachers are making far more than the average college educated adult. This is a travesty and it is not hypocrisy to publicize these facts. This is our money, being paid year after year for very poor results.
Now go troll elsewhere!
No. Neither is several million dollars a year to athletes.Just as $100K is not too much for a PRIVATE SCHOOL teacher. Private School Teachers, Bankers, Athletes, Corporate CEOs, Business owners are in the private sector. Their salaries are NOT confiscated from the taxpayer, but negotiated between them and their employers. That means a willing employer and a willing employee, not money seized from taxpayers. Some teachers in Wisconsin are making in the $100K range in salary. The question is for you is, name us one (1) private school teacher in Wisconsin that makes $100K. OK. Then name us one (1) private school teacher in the United States that makes $100K. In your opinion, why are teachers in government schools worth more than teachers in private schools. And why don't the test results show that?
I spent 4 years on a school board and witnessed first-hand that teachers and their union care only about their own pay and benefits. If paying them more means kids go without workbooks or supplies...too bad! Their attitude was to make the parents pay for more.
The minute the banks accepted federal money, they gave up their lawful right to be the sole determinators of the value of their employees. That’s what fascism is all about—government totalitarianism, combined with (some) of the efficiencies of the free market.
None the less, why is that one stockholder (which is essentially what the government has become with the big banks) gets to solely determine what the companies salaries are?
He who has the gold makes the rules, I suppose....and if you deal with the devil, deal with it!
Still, it is amazing that people complain about what bankers make....but folks like George Soros or Warren Buffet (who make FAR (FAR) MORE than any banker makes) who in a sense destructively play with currency markets, at an immensely large level....aren’t ever criticized. Why is that?
>>>>But my area does have charter schools and vouchers. <<<<<
29.4% Of Milwaukee public school teachers send their own children to private schools
That Wash Times headline tells me all I need to know about Charters and verifies my observations of San Jose Charter Schools.
>>>>>Actually I didn’t have a choice in whether or not bankers ....[re taxpayer pd bonuses].<<<<<
Begging the question, but actually if you step back, you would realize you had choice for using your voted for, so you’re still spinning info.
The iron in your claims tells me you are too rigid for even an attempt at discussion, so as Levin says, ‘get off my phone, you’re wasting my time’, and in this case electrons.
Thank you for sharing that information.
Really have you read the teachers contracts in order to determine wether or not they’ve lived up to their terms?
Uh..huh..
I'm making the assumption that a teacher's contract includes something about "teaching" and "educating". I have ample evidence that's not being accomplished.
Your misspelling of "whether" and omission of a simple apostrophe in "teacher's" are proof positive of that.
Well at least you admit that you have no idea of what you’re talking about and that you’re just making assinine assumptions. That’s better than most I guess. Too bad that you had to get so pathetic with your stick up your butt routine about spelling, that’s typically a last resort tactic...
you clowns that think that there weren’t Freepers out defending bankers and the bailouts are either drunk and delusional or just plain liars.
First of all, while I acknowledged that I'd never read a teachers' contract (note the apostrophe) that doesn't mean I have "no idea" about what they entail. My sister has a master's degree in special ed, and was for a long time one of two teachers in a PA school district that refused to unionize. We've spoken at quite some length over the years about the terms of her employment, the harassment she underwent and the general quality of the public education environment. Furthermore, I'm integrally involved in the employee interviewing, hiring and quality control processes for my employer and am intimately familiar with the product our *educators* are producing (or failing to produce, as the case may be). Certainly I can admit to not having read a teachers' contract; it's a matter of simple honesty, unlike calling in for a sick day in order to go protest.
Secondly, the word is spelled, "asinine." If you're trying to defend the education system in the United States, you'd really make a stronger argument if there was some degree of literacy to your posts. Whether you're a teacher, administrator or a simple product of the system, you're only proving my point about the quality of the product with every typo and misspelling in your posts. Are teachers too stupid to even teach "Spell Check" these days?
LOL!!! My second cousins roomate was an astonaut so that makes me a fighter pilot. Oh and spell check makes me a better hall monitor.
ahahaha!!!!
Moron. You know, under most circumstances, I'm not a stickler for spelling or grammar as long as a person's thoughts are reasonably clear; however, when your argument is predicated on the fact that the education establishment is turning out a good product, it would behoove you to put that education on display when you present it.
You are clearly a product of the public school teachers you so vigorously advocate for, and it shows.
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