Posted on 01/20/2011 6:58:33 AM PST by FreeAtlanta
Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there. Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961....frpa ... 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.
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Stomach parasites, I heard somewhere, picked up on his last visit to Hawaii. How does one contract that?
Oh, good question. I don’t know. That would be bad for Perkins Coie.
The record becomes “Amended” and has to state such on the OCLB. Hawaii has statutiorially admitted Obama has an Amended record. IT is one way we know the FactCheck COLB is a fake, it doesn’t have “Amended” anywhere on it.
Now, if someone disolves an adoption, and Obama could have done so, the record would have been amended again. This would all bave been kept in the same file. Butterdezillion has lots of information on this. If I am incorrect on any of that, I am certain she will correct me!
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Other data points of interest related to the “Adoption angle” of this subject.
1. The actual wedding date of SAD and Lolo Soetoro was well concealed until recently. The date was regularly reported to be 1967 or 1968. With Strunk getting the FOIA records on SAD’s passport it was clearly relieved the date was 1965. This timing is important. A child is easier to adopt internationally before the age of 5.
2. The roots of the BC issue are in the Muslim issue. The Muslim issue is related Obama’s time in Indonesia. The issue was not related to his (supposed) birth father’s religion. The “Obama is not a Muslim” frenzy went on until June of 2008. This was when Jim Geraghty of National Review says - hey just show us the BC and show it does say Islam or Muslim on it. He did this in this article -
Exactly 3 days later FTS is launched and its first posting is the COLB - a degraded image from a detailed image from Daily KOS.
Up until then it was the “Muslim” issue that was haunting the campaign. And the “Muslim” issue is rooted in Indonesia since Obama was registered as a Muslim in both schools he attended.
3. The Passport for Pakistan question. That passport has never been disclosed. And this trip was hidden from public view until 4/8/2008.
4. The college records. If Obama leveraged his ‘foreign-ness’ after the age of 18 to get into certain collages or get scholarships he has a giant problem. That would directly imply renouncing American Citizenship. Forget Hawaii, forget Kenya, forget definition of an nbC... if you declare yourself a foreign citizen after the age of 18 by securing (or using) a foreign passport or declare foreign allegiance in an official manner (as in indicating your are a foreign citizen when applying to college or for scholarships) you have forfeited your US Citizenship.
On these last 2 items. Obama could get a pass on the passport. If you are a ‘dual citizen’ which is what he has claimed for Kenya/Britain until age 23 then using another passport may not automatically DQ you as a US citizen. But if you apply to college or for a scholarship - IN THE US - and indicate you are a foreign citizen, while hiding or ignoring your US citizenship status then you have voluntarily given up your US citizenship.
The other data point that fits this issue is the Social Security number issue and apparent forged Selective Service documents. If Obama was living as a foreign national in his late teens and early 20s he would not have had to register for the draft and he would not have had a normal US Social Security number.
“Madelyn Dunham’s death was reported on November 3rd, 2008. It allegedly occurred at about 3:00 a.m. on November 2nd. No official medical documents, death certificate or coronor’s report of her passing has ever been publicly revealed.”
....and she doesn’t show up in the Social Security Death Index either! Supposedly, she had just undergone hip replacement surgery a few weeks before her “death”. Would a doctor really do major surgery on someone with Stage IV cancer? I believe her own brother was interviewed and indicated that she had fallen but was recovering...then, all of a sudden, she has end stage cancer and BO has to rush to Hawaii? Did “Toot” really die in November 2008? Or is she still perhaps there - or maybe she actually died at a later date but that information could never be released since it would contradict “the narrative”.
So what you are saying is that there is no proof of death that has been provided to satisfy our inquiring minds.
Pure speculation here.
When was the last time anyone reportedly had seen Toots in public?
How many childhood friends from Honolulu does Obama have? Only one? And yet he chose to take a large security detail to visit just this one guy? Why not have the friend visit Obama at his lush accomodations and have a good time on the taxpayers dime?
Obama Given a 20-Man Motorcade to Visit Childhood Friend
Hmmm...is Toots being held at an undisclosed and secure location?
Tends to sound like a cover story doesn’t it?
If he does have real health problems, expect the birth certificate and other issues to start getting more play.
HRS 118-17.7 (at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0007.htm ) says that when an adoption takes place a new birth certificate is created and the original is sealed. This doesn’t require any amendment. If the adoption is set aside the original birth certificate is restored and the adoptive birth certificate is sealed. So when there’s an adoption nothing is amended. There are just 2 different birth certificates and whichever one is in effect is the one that is accessible to the HDOH; the other is sealed and cannot be accessed without a court order.
I have asked to see the court order by which the HDOH was authorized to see Obama’s original BC and was told there was no record responsive to my request. If so, then what Fukino talked about seeing (in her July 2009 announcement) would have to be the last status of Obama. It also means that the “original birth certificate” she said they have on record (in her Oct 2008 announcement) would have to be his current status as well - under the name of Barack Hussein Obama II.
In the case where the actual paternity of the child is changed the original BC is amended, but then that BC is sealed. A new birth certificate showing the new paternity is created. My understanding is that a new certificate would not show any amendment having occurred, since the point of the new birth certificate is to hide embarrassing information.
So whatever amendment shows on Obama’s current birth certificate, it doesn’t regard paternity, adoption, illegitimacy, or a sex change. Those cases get a brand-new birth certificate, with no amendments noted and the legal validity of the birth certificate intact.
Yes. Subornation of perjury. Big no-no.
Ingesting raw seafood.
Thats my bet anyway.
Woah... thats new info to me! What would be the cause for Amending a Birth Certificate?
"You are wrong, Natural-Born Citizen breath!"
Interesting clues.
SCOTUS needs to deal with whether a person can still Constitutionally be a “natural born citizen” if that person is NO LONGER a US citizen. Can a person be a non-citizen and a “natural born citizen” at the same time?
SCOTUS needs to rule on that, which is another reason why any eligibility bill needs to require documentation regarding CITIZENSHIP.
It is interesting to note, also, that the secretary who took notes at the meeting where the media heads explained to the on-air personalities that they had been threatened by Obama’s lawyers if they reported on certain things noted among those specific things any oath of loyalty. Why would an oath of loyalty be a forbidden topic if there wasn’t such a thing? Seems like Soros/Obama were concerned about the Indonesian angle, which suggests there is a “there” there.
But until we get at the actual records we don’t really know what all we’re dealing with. It’s WAY past time that these records were opened up.
I would believe that would be called suborning perjury at least (generally disbarment material if proven).
Strunk v Paterson (Obama): First time in the USA since 1824; Judge has opined on what Natural Born citizen is; Concludes Obama is not a NBC. January 18, 2011 12:50
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/363/827/Strunk_v_Paterson_Obama_:_First_time_in_the_USA_since_1824;_Judge_has_opined_on_what_Natural_Born_citizen_is;_Concludes_Obama_is_not_a_NBC..html
Just in general, a person might add a first name on a birth certificate, which could be done within the first 6 months without any penalty. Minor administrative amendments would be typos or other changes that wouldn’t affect the validity of the BC, like the parents’ residence maybe. Minor amendments which are not the fault of the registrant can be made without any fee being charged and I don’t believe the BC is noted as amended either (have to look that up). Obama was charged a fee to amend his BC in 2006 so we know the amendment was not a minor administrative amendment.
But a person wouldn’t make major amendments to a birth certificate for frivolous reasons because amending it makes the BC legally non-valid. It can’t count as prima facie evidence any more. To amend it means you essentially don’t have a valid birth certificate that you can use. The only reason I could see for a person to do that is if their BC was ALREADY invalid because it was late or incomplete, and thus they had nothing to lose.
The legally valid reasons to amend a birth certificate are already covered by the state allowing a new BC to be created. It’s a free “do-over” for situations where the original BC exposed an embarrassing situation: paternity, illegitimacy, sex change, adoption.
Regarding Obama specifically, if the HDOH has given accurate responses, I’m pretty sure the amendment was to add his birth weight, without which the HDOH can’t even print out a COLB or give a BC# because the BC is incomplete. If this is the case, Obama has never had a legally-valid BC from Hawaii. Whatever BC he used his whole life long, it wasn’t from Hawaii.
If what the HDOH told Lori Starfelt is accurate, the HDOH required the baby to be examined by a doctor within the 30 months in order to complete the medical portion of the BC.
If Obama had even been in Hawaii within the first 30 days after birth, any doctor there could have examined him, completed the BC, and all this mess would not be happening. He could have been born anywhere and as long as a HI doctor examined him within 30 days it could legally - without any snag - be claimed as an unattended birth in Hawaii.
The note of that amendment on his genuine COLB would be devastating to Obama because it would strongly suggest that he wasn’t even IN Hawaii to be seen by a doctor to complete his BC within the first 30 days.
And that would be mighty embarrassing to Abercrombie as well - since he claimed to have seen Ann and Barack with the baby in social settings. After the first month Ann and the baby were in Seattle, so if the baby wasn’t in HI within the first 30 days then he was never in Hawaii AT ALL until after BHO went to Harvard and Ann moved back to Hawaii.
Aagh. Should be days, not months, resulting in:
If what the HDOH told Lori Starfelt is accurate, the HDOH required the baby to be examined by a doctor within the 30 DAYS in order to complete the medical portion of the BC.
Gotcha.
It is beginning to look, no matter from what angle you are looking at, that Obama cannot claim or PROVE any birth place at all. Legally speaking.
Heh, If just ONE state puts a law into effect requiring PROOF of Natural Born Citizenship in order to get on the states POTUS ballot Obama is utterly screwed.
Maybe that is exactly what we should be pushing for regardless.
I would believe that would be called suborning perjury at least (generally disbarment material if proven).
No time in jail???
Yes.
One thing we know already though, and that is that government agencies at this point are 4 for 4 on being willing to falsify, forge, and/or publicly lie about documents for Obama’s sake. Passport Office, Social Security Administration, Selective Service Administration, and Hawaii DOH have all already been implicated - and they are the only government agencies which claim to have any records for Obama.
Any bill that requires documentation to be presented needs to include a requirement that the transaction logs for that record also be disclosed so that forgeries won’t work.
I just saw a thread this morning about somebody caught creating false documents for illegal aliens. We had a bust for that right here in my town a while back. And government workers in various offices and levels have been caught taking bribes. It’s all over the place.
Here’s a link to the bill I’d like states to pass: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2656925/posts
And here’s a link to a thread where we’re trying to make sure the most promising states get a bill introduced: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2659760/posts
I’ve tried to ping as many people as I can remember, but I’m feeling kind of alone because nobody is pinging others to these threads. I already missed the Nebraska deadline, unless I try to get a committee to recommend the bill, and the particular committee is headed by a leftist so that’s unlikely. We’re running into deadlines so it’s urgent.
The bill I’m recommending is based on the “2-citizen-parent and born in the country” interpretation of “natural born citizen” so that the courts have to decide on the Constitutionality of it, thus providing a definition of NBC. There’s a severability clause to allow the documentation provisions to remain in effect even while the definition of NBC is challenged in court.
The bill should be something that everybody can get behind, except those who want to allow forgeries, don’t want NBC to be defined by the courts, or want SOS’s to be able to disobey the law without consequence.
snip- “New analysis of Democrat Party’s official 2008 Certification of Nominations for Obama reveals that reasons for his sudden trip to Hawaii in October, 2008 were to visit more than just his sick grandmother. Hawaiian election laws, media accounts and post-dated documents reveal he may have attended a private hearing with the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer regarding his disqualification from the Hawaiian ballot due to lack of certified Constitutional eligibility.”
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