'Birther' arrested during Constitution reading

POLITICO ^ | January 6, 2011

[maggief]

A woman was arrested in the House gallery Thursday after interrupting a reading of the Constitution by yelling out her belief that President Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States.

When Frank Rep. Pallone (D-N.J.) read the part of Article II, Section 1 mandating that only a "natural-born citizen" may be president, the woman, seated in the front row of the public gallery, screamed "Except Obama, except Obama. Help us Jesus."

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[NFHale]

“...I would have expected his head to spin around ...”

That only happens when they read the Second Amendment...

[NFHale]

“...when i step out into the alley to fight a bunch of commie thug wannabees, i’ll just hafta go for killin em all instead of ‘playin nice’ and fightin fair...”

Now ya gots me all excited, Gilbo!!!!

But I think they’re not wannabes...these assh*les are the real deal. At least they THINK they are.

[newzjunkey]

The place to enforce the constitutional requirement is at the state level and get it in place for 2012, the next presidential election.

[TNTNT]

In the past, I have suggested the following proposed legislation to Red Steel and other birthers:
To gain ballot access, a presidential candidate will be required to provide a certified copy of their birth certificate to the chief election officer. The submitted document must conform to the requirements necessary to obtain a U.S. passport.

This will ensure that a constitutionally eligible candidate is on the ballot, which addresses the birther concern. For the public and legislators it is easy to understand and gets away from the long form V. short form debate and uses accepted standards to determine if a specific BC is adequate. It is also a reasonable proposal which addresses the issue, that even democrats will have difficulty objecting to it.

To date, although a couple of freepers have expressed their approval of the proposal, all I have heard from Red Steel and his birther buddies is derision and ridicule. It is obvious that these guys don't want to try to resolve this issue in a reasonable manner, but would rather bitch and complain.

[Spaulding]

Hear, hear!! A very succinct statement Spaulding. Bravo!

Thanks rxsid, but where did I get it? Wasn't “How can a British subject be a natural born citizen” your byline?

I am just one who had a lot to learn about the Constitution when I was as irate as everyone else about all of the hidden documents. It just didn't fit. First I found Berg. Then Taitz clearly corrected Berg. So few knew the real history. Donofrio introduced cogent legal analysis, and then Apuzzo. Now I depend almost entirely upon original sources. Current legislators knew but didn't dare cross the “Birther” threshold created by the left. Besides, admitting anything could expose them legally if and when the whole cover-up is exposed.

Also illuminating are the many analysis of McCain's ineligibility. And of course, there is the remarkably cogent legal position paper in the Chicago Legal News by Breckenridge Long, later of the FDR Administration, explaining why Charles Evans Hughes, later Chief Justice Hughes, had he defeated Glenn Beck's favorite president, Woodrow Wilson. (Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes was born of parents who were British subjects, and Hughes later admitted as much, citing Minor v. Happersett in his decision in Perkins v. Elg - [thanks Sharon Rondeau] Long summarized most of what we know without arguing over translations of “indigene” from Vattel’s original French.

On a personal note, I came to realize how brilliant the legal philosophers of the enlightenment were. I control some silly talk with my family by reading at dinner. We have read Atlas Shrugged, A God Who Hates, Men in Black, a little fiction. We are now reading Vattel, and finding that his translated writing is brilliant - concise like John Marshall. None of our pundits, and certainly no progressives, will mention Vattel, or Marshall, or Waite. Vattel was clearly a liberal in his day. He was suspicious of clergy who assumed authority based upon their relationship with God. His almost axiomatic construction of
Law of Nations from natural law is a masterpiece. No wonder Franklin, Jay, Adams (both of them), Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, Story, ... simply took Vattel as our common law, even though these founders did not at all agree with each other on many issues. Vattel was the common realm in which they agreed.

[tired_old_conservative]

That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, consistent with the principles of democratic government. Now, I personally think Obama will be able to satisfy it, but the question will be answered.

I also suspect Red and others would want to stick in the requirement for two-citizen parents. I think that is wrong, but I wouldn't even object to someone doing that. The DNC would sue and you would get an official court ruling where, again, everyone would know. The press would probably make fun of whatever state passed a two-citizen parent version, but if a state legislature wants to force an official ruling, that's their right.

[NFHale]

“GMTA...”

Thank you, Ma’am! At yer service. :^)

[bushpilot1]

“I am outraged,” said Theresa Cao, an ardent Lakin backer. “I’ve been taking his message to the White House and Congress that Lakin was standing up for God, Constitution and country. Puckett let Lakin down, and Lakin let all of us down.”

She is a LTC Lakin supporter.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=240825

[hoosiermama]

Actually the reporter of Special Report FOX news created the news instead of reporting what she said. I sent them a correction. Telling them the BC issue is a red herring created by the Rats and that BO doesn’t qualify because his father was not a citizen. Gave them some suggested reading.

[1_Rain_Drop]

Good for you! :-) :-)

[Debi911]

“Also one thing that people have not caught onto is that O himself must know of this now and the white house must be frazzled about it. I can’t imagine that he is just blowing it off and unconcerned about it anymore. It is gaining traction.”

I think that is the reason that he's calling Michael Vick and doing things like that, to make this go away and have the outrage going to something else.He's trying to distract the people from the BC issue.

What he doesn't realize is that we expect his stupidity, and his tricks, and it is not veering us off the path. I suspect he knows the gig is up.

[hoosiermama]

Hey...Same reporter was on FOX again and this time he got it right ...Guess they read my e-mail.
Not a BC issue but not qualified under Natural Born Citizen requirement in constitution..

I told them the BC issue was a read herring created by democrat, Phillip Berg.

[Red Steel]

In the past, I have suggested the following proposed legislation to Red Steel and other birthers: To gain ballot access,

Sure you do! /sarc. And not after you went crapping all over Berman's already proposed legislation in every way you could.

To gain ballot access, a presidential candidate will be required to provide a certified copy of their birth certificate to the chief election officer. The submitted document must conform to the requirements necessary to obtain a U.S. passport.

Nah nah not not quite there - not good enough troll-bot.

For your information dingy, US passports can be had with secondary information that calls for a combination of social security card + credit card + Employee ID + library card. LoL a library card? Obama could even get a witness to state the he knows Obama as a US citizen to receive a US passport. Obama could bring Bill Ayers to vouch for him. Again LoL.

Even the primary form of information is not good enough because it includes previously issuance of passport. In Obama case, he likely did not have to do anything to get his diplomatic passport. Issuance was automatic. Other primary identifications that the State Department accepts for passports is naturalization cards and certificate of citizenship, not to mention American nationals who are entitled to US passports. Not everyone who get a US passport is a natural born citizen.

What' is acceptable is what Berman proposed in his eligibility ballot legislation here:

"(d) The secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate's original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen."

TNTNT you've been caught in tons of BS. If I was smacked down in the amount of BS that you spew in so few days, I'd be ashamed, but we see you don't have any shame.

all I have heard from Red Steel and his birther buddies is derision and ridicule. It is obvious that these guys don't want to try to resolve this issue in a reasonable manner, but would rather bitch and complain.

You better look at your own postings bot. You are here to 'bitch and complain' for Obama you say "crackpot birther" this and half a brain that.

[1_Rain_Drop]

Bravo hoosiermama!

One reporter is a fantastic start!

Let's pray the pendulum is swinging our way now!

[Debi911]

“The day of reckoning should be timed to create maximum chaos in the DNC.”

That seems right about now..

[dools0007world]

Yo Red Steel—I think it’s way past time to use the Marxist’s ploys against them.

I’m not saying MLK was a commie. But the Civil Rights movement—like the environment—was used by the left to promote its agenda. To wit: The disintegration of American wealth and society.

Tea Parties were conservative’s first taste of “the street”. Quite frankly I found it liberating. Sadly it will probably take a lot more than we’ve done so far to take back the country.

[TNTNT]

I am talking about the requirements the State Dept. has for birth certificates, not secondary evidence. They have a set of standards for what are acceptable birth certificates. Not all birth certificates are acceptable, and only those BC’s that are acceptable for the issuance of a passport will be acceptable to gain access to the presidential ballot.

As I have tried to explain to you in the past, Berman’s proposed bill calls for an ‘original birth certificate’ and the Hawaiian officials have stated that that the COLB produced by Obama is the document issued when an individual requests his BC. Thus what will be sent to the Texas official is a hard copy of the same COLB Obama has already posted on the internet. That would comply the language in the Berman bill.

In addition, as I have previously noted, the Berman bill does not define ‘Natural Born Citizen’ and I can assure you that the Tx. AG office is going to give the legally accepted definition to it, which is not your crackpot theory that requires 2 citizen parents if born within the USA. I know you claim some private individual will sue to try and enforce your definition, but anyone who sues who is not a denied candidate will have a major standing problem.

As I have tried to explain to you, the Berman bill gets no you further than where we are now. Don't you think having a bill which is a reasonable solution to issue is better than no solution.

[Red Steel]

As I have tried to explain to you in the past, Berman’s proposed bill calls for an ‘original birth certificate’ and the Hawaiian officials have stated that that the COLB produced by Obama is the document issued when an individual requests his BC. Thus what will be sent to the Texas official is a hard copy of the same COLB Obama has already posted on the internet. That would comply the language in the Berman bill.

No, you are wrong again. As I told you before, Hawaii has never vouched or stated that COLB on the Internet is a genuine Hawaiian COLB. Roberta Gibbs, Obama's mouth piece admitted for 15$ dollars you buy an Internet website and say anything. Gibbs has admitted to placing that DailyKos jpg image of a COLB on the Internet. Only a long form birth certificate will do. Berman has got it right.

In addition, as I have previously noted, the Berman bill does not define ‘Natural Born Citizen’ and I can assure you that the Tx. AG office is going to give the legally accepted definition to it, which is not your crackpot theory that requires 2 citizen parents if born within the USA. I know you claim some private individual will sue to try and enforce your definition, but anyone who sues who is not a denied candidate will have a major standing problem.

The natural born citizen clause is good enough for the Constitution and the nation, but not good enough for the Tx's politicos to state NBC in a state ballot election law? The Tx AG doesn't get a vote. And that's the idea, let them sue and force the issue to Supreme Court. Obama won't run or sue because he knows he is not NBC.

As I have tried to explain to you, the Berman bill gets no you further than where we are now. Don't you think having a bill which is a reasonable solution to issue is better than no solution.

Not a bill that could let Obama skate by. You don't let that bOzO get another shot to be pResident. No abstract of his birth certificate will do, if he even had one issued in 1961, which is doubtful.

[TNTNT]

You obviously have zero clue on how this process works in real life. Good luck on your quixotic quest through birther fantasyland, because you are going to need it.

[Red Steel]

Say hello to Obama Obot.