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REVOLUTION! ... or what? (Vanity)
Lazamataz ^ | 12/24/2010 | By Lazamataz

Posted on 12/24/2010 8:49:29 AM PST by Lazamataz

Let's face it: We are losing against the forces of Socialism and Communism.

Over the course of the last 100 years, we have gone from a purely capitalist society, to one slowly working through the throes of communization. The New Deal; the seizure of privately held gold; The War on Poverty / Drugs / Whatever; Social Security; Medicaid and Medicare; the abuse of Eminent Domain; the creation of the EPA, EEOC, FCC, NEA, CPB, and a myriad number of other barely-accountable agencies -- these have been the slow ratcheting-up of the forces of Socialistic control.

It has taken generations, and we now stand on the precipice of the full realization of the Socialists desires: Forceful control of the citizenry -- from cradle to grave -- and the destruction of wealth and the middle class, with an emphasis to collectivizing that wealth in the hands of government.

So, it is obvious that it is WELL PAST Claire Wolfe's popular admonition: "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." It is, indeed, past time to shoot.

However, this is not America circa 1776. The things that may have worked then cannot work now. This is not even America circa 1968, whereinwhich only marginally violent 'social force' was useful.

Force is an odd bird, today. Let us consider the range of options available to the resistor:

  1. Somewhat-organized brigades of irregulars: Frankly, the best you could hold to field would be barely-trained irregulars with very poor C3 (Command, Control and Communications). If you could even assemble them, the irregulars would be put down quickly by professional military and police combinations. Armed with over-the-horizon technology, devastating missile technology, and unmanned drones, you'd never see it coming, and as a heat source, you'd stand out in the wilderness like a lightbulb.

    Okay, that won't work too well. The armed rebellion seen in 1776 won't work today. Well then, how about if you convinced a great number of military elements to desert and join our cause?

  2. Professional Military Crossover: You'd get some takers, no question. We still have patriotic people in the military. But, they would be stripped of command and control machinery and the best weaponry. They would be a good adjunct and advisor group to irregulars, but they would not have the true power of the geniune military. They, too, would be crushed.

    Well, then, there is always the emulation of successful cell-groups as practiced in Islamic circles, or as practiced in the resistances of occupied countries since the 1900's. Let's look at that:

  3. Leaderless Cell-based Resistance: These are routinely branded as terrorists, and are treated as non-citizen combatants, replete with the stripping of civil liberties, etcetera. Monitoriing and surviellance (especially network link-analysis) makes them relatively ineffective in this very-modern, very-computerized society, since any code you define would be immediately cracked, and patterns of contact are very observable. Further, what mischief would you make, without garnering negative publicity?

    Clearly a non-starter. Let's look, then, at the left's strategy of mass demonstrations in the 1960's.

  4. Mass Demonstrations: There are now very effective non-lethal counters to this form of resistance. From the microwave-emitter to much-more-potent pepper-sprays to the sound-caster, there are ways to effectively break up a demonstration without actually killing or maiming people, and thusly the government garners no 'Kent State'-style negative publicity, with the concurrent changing of the public's mood.

Ok. Looks like direct confrontation would be a poor option. The form of tyranny we most likely face, is what I call the Soft Tyranny. It isn't like Stalin starving his Ukranian foes. It isn't like Hitler rounding up his hated Jews for orderly disposal. It isn't like Pol Pot lining up the town leaders for summary execution on the spot. It, instead, consists of a low-level bureaucrat coming over and fining you $25.00 because you are using the wrong kind of light bulb. Most students of history see that this (genocide and mass killings) are not the most effective form of control. The most effective form of control is the small regulation and the tiny civil fine. Those tend to make people behave 'correctly'.

One important caveat: If the governmental parties are NOT students of that history, then every thug they sent to round up and kill one of us, obviously, should be liquidated.

Again: giventoday's society, you are much more likely to see a soft tyranny, what are the most effective tools?

The answer is clear: Emulate the success of the left.

Widespread infiltration and the changing of the public's mind: To do this, you must educate. Free Republic is one such form of education, but it's reach is limited. The goal is to train millions of youth. Homeschoolers have a chance to do this, also, perhaps groups such as the Boy Scouts and other social groups. Here, you can educate the minds meaningfully.

Maybe even reach the immigrant population, meaningfully. Deradicalize the La Reconquistas if possible, and show them the merits of freedom and the ways to defeat - by law - government control.

Install more journalists. Train them and send them out.

Get into more churches.

Turn to social media.

Launch more conservative blogs and websites.

The best weapon against communism and socialism is truth, imparted slowly and over a generation. They have two generations on us, so we won't be alive to see the fruits of our labor.

But labor, we must.


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To: Lazamataz

This is where yo make the best point...Something, a few others do not, or refuse to see...

Sure we can certainly take it to a violent level, but wouldn’t it be great to just make the changes we can every year at the ballot box???

If the November election didn’t prove it to anyone who was paying attention, then I dunno...

If we et to a point where it turns to violence, then we ALL lose...

That doesn’t mean I am unable or unwilling to do what Ihave to in any situation...We just had better figure out what we can do before it “really” comes to blows...

We (Conservatives) are way smarter than this...


121 posted on 12/24/2010 8:22:39 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: servantboy777

I’ve read that Thomas Jefferson was asked by someone, “Do you have us a Constitution?” - Jefferson answered, “Yes. If you can keep it.”

I believe that the founders who practiced prayer did pray that we could KEEP IT!


122 posted on 12/24/2010 8:29:07 PM PST by Twinkie (PEACE)
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To: Lazamataz

Spot on.


123 posted on 12/24/2010 8:31:29 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Leaning Right

While an excellent argument can be made for term limits (which, along with elimination of the fat pensions, perks and LAME DUCK SESSIONS I favor), I would offer that, currently, our chances of getting them are somewhere between slim and none. The sad fact that we are even discussing them is a manifestation of the even sadder fact that, until recently, Americans have grown complacently inattentive to the actions of and abuses by government at all levels. The phrase “Let George do it” springs to mind. More folks know the names of the characters on “Lost” and “Dancing With The Stars” than know who allegedly “represents” them in the House.

Having said that, I must respectfully disagree with calls for a Constitutional Convention. I do so for the same reasons I joined with others to repel the push for a ConCon during the Carter maladministration.

Please recall that the FIRST ConCon was convened to REVISE the Articles of Confederation and, while it produced a radically different – and arguably superior – national charter, the problem to which I referred at the top would almost certainly lead to a loss of even more of the freedoms too many of us now take for granted.

A second ConCon would be populated by current political elites who have been selected BY their fellow political elites. Think Chuck Schumer, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, John Kerry, Fortney “Pete” Stark, etc. Be afraid. Be VERY AFRAID!

Unfortunately for us and our liberties, General Washington, Messers. Madison, Franklin, Adams, Sherman and the others will not be there this time. Once in session, THERE WOULD BE NO PRACTICAL WAY TO CONTROL THEM.

But, say you, the PEOPLE would have to ratify any such actions. Please recall that, today, these would be the same people who gave us Barrack Obama and hundreds of “progressives” on Capitol Hill in 2008.

Yes, 2010 WAS a course change and, no, I’m not giving up on the people. In our system, they should, within Constitutional constraints, have the last word.

Mr. Jefferson’s advice in that area comes to mind:
“I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.”

Those of us who wish to save this nation and return it to a condition the Founders would again recognize must continue to “…inform their discretion.”

Dick Bachert


124 posted on 12/24/2010 8:36:02 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Twinkie

Not to be pedantic, but I believe that question was addressed to Benjamin Franklin by a woman as he emerged from the last session of the convention. His response was as you reported it.


125 posted on 12/24/2010 8:46:25 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Lazamataz
The correct answer is #4 Mass Demonstrations.

This is what brought down the USSR. The soviet security forces refused to put down the demonstrations; and that would be the case for a popular uprising in the US.

The Tea Party movement is the beginning of this. The biggest protest was (I think) around 2 Million people. If they had been more ticked off, they could have taken over and occupied the Capitol Building for example. Libertarians and Conservatives are not accustomed to this kind of extreme protest, but it would scare the ruling class, and they would not ignore it like they do with the Tea Parties.

If the ruling class used force (sound waves, etc) to put down the demonstration, it would be all over Facebook, etc, and the rebellion would grow. If the govt shuts down the internet, the rebellion would grow.

This is how Tyrannies end.

126 posted on 12/24/2010 8:49:14 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: DCBryan1

Good deal...LOL ! We stay prepared for all things , good and bad and try and vote with our dollars between elections.

Both those books are on my shelf and in PDF form on the computer and kindle reader etc ... and shared with friends and coworkers trying to keep those around us educated as to what we perceive is right and wrong with our nation right now and tomorrow etc ...

Merry Christmas to you and yours Sir !

Stay safe !


127 posted on 12/24/2010 9:04:32 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: aragorn

Any protest or standoff at the neighborhood level would, at best, end like the Branch Davidians in Waco. It was all over the news, and people cheered for the government.

All protests need to be on federal turf. That is where the ruling class is. It will take millions of protesters in the same camera shot to get the ball rolling.


128 posted on 12/24/2010 9:12:16 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Jack Black; Lazamataz

Thanks for the ping, JB.
Excellent article, Laz.

Merry Christmas to y’all and your families.

If the dog is in the kitchen getting into the food,
you shouldn’t blame the dog, after all, he is just being a dog.
You should blame the person who let the dog in the kitchen.

This is how I think about Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and their ilk.
They are just behaving as who they are.
I blame my fellow citizens who put them in office.
If you got rid of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and their ilk;
and had the same electorate in place,
those people would just be replaced by someone just like them,
and the electorate would let another dog in the kitchen.

Our fellow citizens need education and enlightenment as to
why that is a bad idea.


129 posted on 12/24/2010 10:05:43 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: Jack Black

Thanks for the ping.


130 posted on 12/24/2010 11:20:19 PM PST by ChowChowFace
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To: RC2

I’d have to disagree.

Depends on the guy (or gal) with the 12 guage who is probably a retired Marine, and the young Marine with the Machine gun. ;) who just might surprise people with where that machine gun winds up getting pointed.


131 posted on 12/24/2010 11:27:36 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: semantic

Brazil.


132 posted on 12/24/2010 11:59:43 PM PST by KitJ (Shall not be infringed)
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To: UnwashedPeasant
Any protest or standoff at the neighborhood level would, at best, end like the Branch Davidians in Waco. It was all over the news, and people cheered for the government.

I do believe that you specified that "government forces can go one block at a time with crushing force", which seems to me to be beyond the appropriate reaction to a mere protest. Do you agree?

In the case of the Branch Davidians, yes, the fedgov and their media cheerers-on did indeed spend a lot of time and effort in their propaganda campaign, marginalizing them and painting them as "weirdos", and they were successful. In the beginning. For the most part. However, I do recall (and there should be plenty in the FR archives and elsewhere to support this) that not everyone was cheering, and that fewer and fewer people agreed with the actions of the fedgov as time went on.

(Of course, the media didn't report much or any of that, did they?)

So, yes, the fedgov and the media would likely be successful with a similar propaganda campaign. In the beginning. For a while. However, I believe that the further they carried their campaign of "crushing force ... block by block", the more the tide of public support would turn against them. Do you not agree? Ask yourself how you would react should your daughter's block be one of the blocks in the path of the crushing force.

All protests need to be on federal turf. That is where the ruling class is.

It all depends on just where things are at in the process, does it not? Millions showed up for the various Tea Party protests, and the fedgov and the media either ignored, under-counted or marginalized and misrepresented them. Why do you believe that similar mass protests would not receive the same treatment?

However, my response was aimed more at the "what happens when fedgov begins their 'block by block, crushing force'" campaign of terror that you hypothesized, not whether mass protests were or were not an appropriate starting place and first (or second, or third) attempt at getting the attention of our servants and employees.

In that light, it appears that you did not ponder the points that I offered up. I suggest that, while the offices and trappings of power are indeed mostly on fedgov land, not all of individual or collective fedgov apparatchiks are so restricted, and not all of the time. They have homes and families and places that they frequent and so on, just like those people in the blocks you believe will be so effectively and easily crushed, one by one.

What I'm suggesting is that I do not believe that such a campaign of terror, even if initially and seemingly supported by the American public (if one would believe the drive-by media reports) would be able to maintain its support or ongoing success. I believe that it would ultimately fail, for a variety of reasons.

133 posted on 12/25/2010 7:46:33 AM PST by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. NRA, GOA, SAF, CCRKBA. FUBO.)
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To: Lazamataz

Very good, Laz.


134 posted on 12/25/2010 9:22:31 AM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Lazamataz

bttt


135 posted on 12/25/2010 9:59:43 AM PST by OwenKellogg (We need a Tea Party to welcome the new congress and remind them how they got there.)
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To: Lazamataz

“it is WELL PAST Claire Wolfe’s popular admonition”

Claire herself has said so.


136 posted on 12/25/2010 10:59:34 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: servantboy777

“We are now involved in a Civil....Civil War.”

Baloney. Everyone is following the rules, however strained or creative the interpretation thereof. Nobody is being killed as a matter of SOP.

“War” is when rules are disregarded/broken en masse, to wit killing people and breaking things, until one side consents to submit just to get devastation to end.

“Civil”, as in civilized war, is when both sides stop to sing Christmas carols, then get back to gassing each other.

What we have now is outright submission. If you were fined $25 for incorrect disposal of a CFL light, you’d pay it to avoid conflict. That is not war.


137 posted on 12/25/2010 11:31:38 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: Lazamataz

Well done. I hope you had a very Merry Christmas.


138 posted on 12/26/2010 1:12:30 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: The Duke
The approach is too slow

Doesn't have to be slow,just steady and strong.Every hurdle they throw up,knock it down and move forward.

Conservatives are nicer and more tolerant than leftists

Conservatives' patience and "tolerance" has juuuuust about reached its end-we've seen that with the Tea Parties and the mid-term elections. I think you underestimate what we can do when we pull together,voice our anger,and become more proactive.That being said,I do believe that we have to kick it up big time over the coming months,be vigilant and more engaged if we're going to win in 2012.
139 posted on 12/26/2010 1:41:13 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: mojitojoe

Thank you, dear sir. I intend to write a series of articles offering suggestions and recruiting personnel to implement this Infiltration and Education Plan.


140 posted on 12/26/2010 1:46:31 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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