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Jury Convicts Army 'Birther' Who Refused Deployment to Afghanistan
FoxNews.com ^ | 12/15/2010 | Staff

Posted on 12/15/2010 12:54:18 PM PST by OldDeckHand

A military jury has convicted an Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questions President Obama's eligibility for office.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: army; certifigate; didnttakelong; fgsitsnotpalin; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; notaboutpalin; obama; palin; ucmj
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To: marstegreg

Disobeying a lawful command. Soldiers don’t get to do this. Now if the Chairman had refused to obey, he could have just stood aside and been replaced. But the Colonel is too far down in the pecking order.


141 posted on 12/15/2010 2:50:18 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

It seems to me that being an officer/doctor and not being on the battlefield would be different from being one of the soldiers. I guess I didnt realize that this applies to everyone regardless of rank or duty.


142 posted on 12/15/2010 2:53:57 PM PST by marstegreg
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To: FS11

OK. Now we need to schedule the protest march in DC. Lets make it big.


143 posted on 12/15/2010 2:59:01 PM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

So Putin or Castro could have a son born here, and he could become president? Are you insane?


144 posted on 12/15/2010 3:01:26 PM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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To: STARWISE
So you agree the CIC’s actions have been low?

In oh so many ways....

What you people fail to realize is that someone can recognize Lakin's actions for the criminal acts that they are without being an Obama supporter. As with the charges Lakin faced, Obama is totally irrelevant to disapproving what Lakin did. His actions were wrong. His acts were not honorable. He is getting what he deserved. I don't take pleasure in that but I'm not wasting any sympathy on him either.

145 posted on 12/15/2010 3:06:04 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Red Steel
We’ll see what happens.

We will indeed.

146 posted on 12/15/2010 3:07:04 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: combat_boots

Ah, the date of the vote - thx. And thanks for the links. (’net neutrality’ - a misnomer if I ever saw one)


147 posted on 12/15/2010 3:08:54 PM PST by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Wrong.

The criteria is “natural born” citizen. Both parents must be citizens at the time of birth with a waiver for persons who were alive at the time of the Constitution being written.

If Obama were more than 200 years old he might qualify there, but not if he were a citizen of Indonesia or Kenya, or even England.

The "place" of birth is not relevant.

148 posted on 12/15/2010 3:09:12 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: PA-RIVER
So Putin or Castro could have a son born here, and he could become president?

If people would elect him, yes.

Are you insane?

Well, I wasn't when I checked this morning, but you never know. These things can kind of creep up on you sometimes. I do seem to be drooling uncontrollably, though, for no discernable reason.

Just to clarify, are you saying that under U.S. law, a child born in the United States does not automatically become a citizen? Or are you saying that may be what the law says, but that you disagree with it?

I'm just trying to figure that out. And by the way, just because you may not like what the law says doesn't mean it isn't the law.

149 posted on 12/15/2010 3:10:31 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Radix

I believe that there are serious questions that do need to be answered - however, there is also the rule of law, and the presumption of innocence.

As Pres. Obama has to have had some digging done into his background (do you think the Clinton’s didn’t verify his legitimacy? Remember, Hillary ran against him up to the end), we have to assume that for whatever reason - he is qualified to be President.

Given his approval numbers, and his declining status as a ‘leader’; if someone had infomation showing he was inelgible - it almost certainly would have come out by now.

Personally, I want to know how a poor Black AMERICAN child, from a single parent managed to swing the cost of a Harvard education. Rumor has it that he applied for, and received scholarships for non-traditional students and special consideration as a foreign-born student.

Plus, I’d like to know how the ‘brightest man of our generation’ did in school. Wasn’t a GPA important when GW Bush was President?


150 posted on 12/15/2010 3:10:36 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: FS11
IMHO, Lakin was used as a pawn, merely to intimidate other soldiers not to question BO’s legitimacy.

I believe the term is pour encourager les autres and it's not new. In 1757 the British shot Vice-Admiral John Byng after he lost Minorca to the French for that very reason, and Voltaire's quote is, in fact, based on that event.

Lakin will get a stiff sentence. The Army has no choice but to come down hard on him to keep others from trying the same thing, perhaps without the same motivation that Lakin claims to have. The same happened to Yolanda Huet-Vaughan back during Desert Storm. She spent time in Leavenworth before having her sentence commuted. I think the same will happen to Lakin. He'll get 3-plus years, serve about half, and have the rest commuted.

151 posted on 12/15/2010 3:14:27 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Red Steel

We’ll see what happens.

~~~

Yes, we will.

The unintended consequences and impact on other
think people of what Lakin has dared to do, and
the price he will pay for the courage of his
convictions may reverberate in ways we can’t even
imagine today.

God bless him and his family with courage and safety.

Isn’t it taking a surprisingly long time for the
sentence deliberation ?

.


152 posted on 12/15/2010 3:17:26 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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think people = thinking people


153 posted on 12/15/2010 3:18:56 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Under the laws of this country, a child born of American parents is an American citizen, regardless of where he/she is born.

Tell that to the thousands of Amerasian children denied not only American citizenship but also full citizenship in countries like Vietnam by both of our countries.

The only way according to the first Congress of this country that you can be a Natural born citizen regardless of where you were born is if both your parents were US citizens.

I give you an example recently debated by the Senate....

John McCain who was found to be eligible despite the fact that he was born in Panama, the Senate decided that because he was born to US citizen PARENTS <---<<< note the plural of parent, he was a Natural Born Citizen.

Obama could never meet the same requirement passed by our first congress or by the Senate's resolution confirming McCain eligibility.

154 posted on 12/15/2010 3:20:16 PM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: Hodar

As Pres. Obama has to have had some digging done into his background (do you think the Clinton’s didn’t verify his legitimacy? Remember, Hillary ran against him up to the end), we have to assume that for whatever reason - he is qualified to be President.

150 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:10:36 PM by Hodar


I beg your pardon, I don’t have to assume that, in fact, I know for a FACT BO is NOT qualified to be POTUS.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-ineligible-if-he-was-born-on.html


155 posted on 12/15/2010 3:21:54 PM PST by FS11
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Getting Obama out on eligibility is going to have to be done either through the SCOTUS or the Congress.

I guess this means he has standing for a case now.

156 posted on 12/15/2010 3:22:06 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: OldDeckHand

In other news, water is wet.


157 posted on 12/15/2010 3:22:48 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Radix
The criteria is “natural born” citizen. Both parents must be citizens at the time of birth with a waiver for persons who were alive at the time of the Constitution being written. If Obama were more than 200 years old he might qualify there, but not if he were a citizen of Indonesia or Kenya, or even England. The "place" of birth is not relevant.

Is that so? Wow, I guess I must have been wrong....

Except I can't help but think there's this funny little thing called the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. Now it's all fine and dandy to be an originalist -- I'm one myself -- but of course, even originalists agree that our original Constitution AND all its amendments are valid. Now my version of the 14th Amendment says, in the very first sentence:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

So at least according to that particular scrap of paper, if you're born in the United States, you are a citizen of the United States (and not a naturalized one, either, because they're mentioned separately). So can you please explain again how "the place of birth is not relevant?"

158 posted on 12/15/2010 3:22:48 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: usmcobra
"The only way according to the first Congress of this country that you can be a Natural born citizen regardless of where you were born is if both your parents were US citizens."

They were talking about children not born in the country.

159 posted on 12/15/2010 3:27:33 PM PST by mlo
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To: wintertime
Surely... I can not be alone. I pray daily, with all my heart, that God will raise up a few brave men and women who defend the Constitution.

I'm with you, wintertime. It doesn't have to be an entire army---just a few brave and honorable Americans.

160 posted on 12/15/2010 3:31:11 PM PST by Faith
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