Every time it's warranted. Like now, since it's obviously where you store your own head most of the time.
Posted on 12/03/2010 4:39:40 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
Event marks war's anniversary
CHARLESTON -- The shots are solely verbal -- and expected to remain that way -- but at least one Civil War Sesquicentennial event is triggering conflict.
The Sons of Confederate Veterans plan to hold a $100-per-person "Secession Ball" on Dec. 20 in Gaillard Municipal Auditorium. It will feature a play highlighting key moments from the signing of South Carolina's Ordinance of Secession 150 years ago, an act that severed the state's ties to the Union and put the nation on the path to the Civil War.
Jeff Antley, who is organizing the event, said the Secession Ball honors the men who stood up for their rights.
"To say that we are commemorating and celebrating the signers of the ordinance and the act of South Carolina going that route is an accurate statement," Antley said. "The secession movement in South Carolina was a demonstration of freedom."
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People plans to protest the event, said Charleston branch President Dot Scott. She deferred further comment to Lonnie Randolph, president of the state NAACP.
"It's amazing to me how history can be rewritten to be what you wanted it to be rather than what happened," Randolph said. "You couldn't pay the folks in Charleston to hold a Holocaust gala, could you? But you know, these are nothing but black people, so nobody pays them any attention."
When Southerners refer to states' rights, he said, "they are really talking about their idea of one right -- to buy and sell human beings."
Antley said that's not so.
"It has nothing to do with slavery as far as I'm concerned," he said. "What I'm doing is honoring the men from this state who stood up for their self-government and their rights under law -- the right to secede was understood."
Antley said, "Slavery is an abomination, but slavery is not just a Southern problem. It's an American problem. To lay the fault and the institution of slavery on the South is just ignorance of history."
Antley said about 500 people are expected to attend the ball, which begins with a 45-minute play and concludes with a dinner and dancing. S.C. Senate President Pro Tem Glenn McConnell, an ardent Civil War re-enactor, is among the actors in the play. The actual ordinance of secession document also will be on display.
Randolph said the state NAACP is consulting with its national office in Baltimore regarding the format of the protests, which also could extend to other 150th anniversary events. "There is not one event that's off the table," he said.
Asked whether there could be good Sesquicentennial events, Randolph said, "If there were a dialogue to sit down and discuss that event 150 years ago and how it still negatively impacts the lives of so many people in this state and around the country, that would be a good discussion, but not an event to sit down and tell lies about what happened and glamorize those people who thought America was so sorry and so bad that they wanted to blow it to hell. That's what they did -- that's what they attempted to do, and we want to make that honorable?"
Charleston is receiving increased national attention as the nation's plans for the Sesquicentennial move forward. This was where it began, with the state becoming the first to secede on Dec. 20, 1860, and firing the first shot on April 12, 1861.
Most of the Lowcountry's Sesquicentennial events have been announced with little controversy -- many involve lectures by respected historians and scholars.
In its vision statement for the observance, the National Park Service said it "will address the institution of slavery as the principal cause of the Civil War, as well as the transition from slavery to freedom -- after the war -- for the 4 million previously enslaved African Americans."
Michael Allen of the National Park Service said he is aware of plans for the Secession Ball but noted that most Sesquicentennial events have found common ground among those with differing viewpoints.
"Now some people might be upset with some pieces of the pie. I understand that," he said. "I think that's the growth of me, as a person of African decent, is to realize that people view this in different ways."
Allen said other Sesquicentennial commemorations being planned will mark events that have a strong black history component, such as Robert Smalls' theft of the Confederate ship Planter and the 54th Massachusetts' assault on Battery Wagener.
"At least what's being pulled together by various groups, be they black or white or whatever, will at least be more broad based and diverse than what was done in 1961," Allen said. "Hopefully, at the end of the day, all Carolinians can benefit from this four-year journey."
Tom O'Rourke, director of the Charleston County Park and Recreation Commission, said Sesquicentennial organizers were fooling themselves if they thought the Confederate side of the story was going to be buried in the observances.
"I think there will be controversy, I think there will be hurt feelings, and I think that as this anniversary passes, we will question what else we could have done to tell the whole story," he said. "But I am OK with all of that. ... I think all discussion is progress."
Read more: http://www.thesunnews.com/2010/12/03/1847335/secession-ball-stirs-controversy.html#ixzz1737LSVRv
That's just stupid, kolonel. The politicians couldn't have gotten anywhere without the backing of those who were willing to take up arms and defend their homes from invasion.
And you and the rest of the coven ain't far behind them with your rhetoric here of FR even going so far as accusing some of us Southrons of that or worse.
Starting when?
It's called "the right thing to do."
Uh huh, yeah, sure.
Sorry your life is bitter, but can't help ya with that.
LOL. When all around you appears a certain way perhaps it is time to look within and reassess you own attitudes.
What's fascinating to me is your willingness to hang your hat (so to speak) on the conduct of your Lost Cause Loser buddies. I know that you are not stupid so you understand the hypocrisy involved in condemning the behavior of one while ignoring, or even worse subtly encouraging the same behavior in others.
But there it is. Your outrage is selective and phony as a confederate dollar bill. Y'all will pardon me if I don't get too worked up over it? ;-)
Anytime you have younguns' on a thread. Just let me know.
LOL. When all around you appears a certain way perhaps it is time to look within and reassess you own attitudes.
You're still showing it, rockrr. Perhaps it will help if you take your own advice.
What's fascinating to me is your willingness to hang your hat (so to speak) on the conduct of your Lost Cause Loser buddies. I know that you are not stupid so you understand the hypocrisy involved in condemning the behavior of one while ignoring, or even worse subtly encouraging the same behavior in others.
You obviously don't get the "mama grizzly" thing. It's just natural and applies to fathers too. Your style of parenting is on display.
But there it is. Your outrage is selective and phony as a confederate dollar bill.
Outrage? LOL! Selective? LOL! I have sense enough to grasp there are eyes which are too young to be viewing certain things.
Y'all will pardon me if I don't get too worked up over it? ;-)
I tend not to care what you do or do not get worked up over.
Fixed it for ya. And I know you wouldn't have.
Uh huh, yeah, sure.
Not only am I RINO boy, but, if it weren’t for me, your secession dreams might come true.
I’ve just put out the word to keep that Lincolnesque noose around the neck of the Confederacy.
“I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.”
-Abraham Lincoln
Still posting lies, I see. Link to the post where I've stated that I can't wait to get the hell out of the country. I know that you've got a Southron database with all our posts recorded and it's widely recognized that you're the king of cut-n-paste so this shouldn't take long.
I suppose that makes sense in what passes for twisted Dixie logic.
I've always argued that men have the natural right to choose their own destiny. You've always argued that we all are bound together in some sort of perverse perpetual union even if it means lose of liberty.
So I ask: whose logic is twisted? And I answer: NS, The Caliph of the Coven.
"Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson
Kind of funny how people who play the populist card with such ferocity love to dress up and cavort like the ruling elites of a slaveowning society.
I suppose human nature is involved. Pure populism and pure elitism are pretty much impossible, and just about everybody is somebody's snob and somebody else's slob at the same time, so there are bound to be inconsistencies and hypocrisies where populism and elitism are concerned.
But if you rail against overprivileged elites wouldn't you feel some hesitation in celebrating one very powerful and privileged ruling class from long ago? And if you favor a hierarchical society, would you really feel comfortable stoking populist passions for social and political leveling?
I guess the idea is that for neoconfederates, the secessionist leaders were "our own" people, but one has to wonder if Davis and Lee would have felt the same warmth towards their crackpot supporters today.
The Confederate leaders weren't a bunch of guys who got together in the garage to talk about guns over a beer. They were a self-conscious ruling elite with the faults of other elites in history.
If you're a Southern nationalist I guess it all does make sense in a funny way, but it's the libertarians and populists who mess things up, by making it about liberty or equality in the abstract, rather than about local masters versus distant rulers.
Excellent point.
Those same secessionists who attempted to rip our nation apart wouldn’t object to the likes of pokie, cva, or idabooby cleaning their spittoons, but otherwise wouldn’t be seen in public with them.
“I was losing interest in politics, when the repeal of the Missouri Compromise aroused me again. What I have done since then is pretty well known.”
-Abraham Lincoln
I am exceedingly jealous. ;-)
That is interesting. I’d never heard of them before. Thanks for the link.
Every time it's warranted. Like now, since it's obviously where you store your own head most of the time.
Cowboyway, the Mortimer Snerd of the Lost Cause Brigade.
An interesting little story.
Back in the early 1980's a friend of mine was first stationed at Fort Knox, so he and his wife were looking for an apartment off post until they could save up to buy a house.
Curtis, who is black, had to report in to his new unit, so his wife, who is white, went to the apartment complex to sign for the apartment. Everything was fine until that evening, when Curtis arrived to look things over.
The complex owner/manager was waiting to give them a walk-thru, and he did a double-take when Curtis walked up and introduced himself. The guy suggested that Curtis and his wife might want to consider looking for another apartment, possibly in Radcliff or Elizabethtown.
When Curtis asked why they wouldn't want to stay there, they other guy informed him that he was the Imperial Grand Dragon of the KKK.
When Curtis first told me this, I thought he was pulling my leg, but my dad, who was stationed at Fort Knox in the 1970's, told me that the Army actually encouraged its black soldiers to avoid Shepherdsville, since it was the headquarters of the KKK up until just a few years ago.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
I see Clueless in Seattle is back.
Hello punk. What part of the South did you say you were from?
Your statement above is typically punkrr stupid, which is exponentially more stupid than say, ns stupid, which is pretty damn stupid.
First of all, nobody 'ripped' a nation apart (were you crying when you typed that?). The South began a new nation. The yankees still had their country but disHonest Abe's vanity and legacy was more important to him than human lives.
Second, based on my family history, if I were living in 1860, I would have been a slave holding planter.
Third, given the above, I would have had my slaves (some of your ancestors perhaps?) clean the spittoons.
Fourth, Southern planters, elites as you and x called them, did not share the same snobbish attitudes as yankee elites, which is true today. We don't look down on people based on their skin color, education or income level they way you yankees do. It's a Southern thing and you and x and ns and the rest of the coven just don't get it.
Well, punkrr, I've got to get started feeding my pure-bred horses (if this was 1860, my slaves would be doing that) and then I'm heading to my gun room to reload some ammo, drink some PBR's and spit some Copenhagen. It's gonna be 308 or "seven point six two millimeter, full metal jacket" tonight. Would you like me to tenderly write your name on one of them?
"Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson
The State of Idaho has now entered the room!
Nothing better than some "Hope" delivered by the Sovereign State of Idaho. Federalist beware, these ol' boys are frost bit and pissed off.. There be monsters in these here woods.
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