Posted on 11/17/2010 2:27:51 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
Sarah Palin says she is seriously considering a run for the White House, and she believes she could beat President Obama in 2012, the former Alaska governor told ABC News' Barbara Walters. "I'm looking at the lay of the land now, and ... trying to figure that out, if it's a good thing for the country, for the discourse, for my family, if it's a good thing," Palin said in an interview scheduled to air in full Dec. 9 on ABC as part of Walters' "10 Most Fascinating People" of 2010.
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You seem to be stuck on the assumption that Palin supporters see her as "the second coming" of Reagan, which they don't. If all you can see are the dissimilarities between Palin and Reagan, then I can see how you might get that impression.
Here's the thing. Palin and Reagan are two Americans who have a great deal in common, hence the inevitable comparisons. By the same token, they can't help but have a great many things about them which they don't share in common.
If you choose to only concentrate on only those things that separate them, then it will be harder for you to understand or appreciate the Reagan/Palin parallels you see being voiced.
Bottom line ~ they're both Americans who have/had a unique devotion to traditional American principles of government and to our Constitution. And yes, their patriotism is/was of the finest character.
I think Joan of Arc could pull this off but especially if DeMint takes the helm. If we want to save the country this would be the unarguable ticket. You would have hyper-charisma teamed with refinement.DeMint could also get in behind the Law of the Seas treaty that I’ve read Palin supported????
In 1964 Johnson got the female vote, In 1960, JFK did not.
In 1960 the female vote “as a whole” went Republican while the male vote “as a whole” went Democrat.
From the 19th Amendment until 1964, the female vote was usually, or at least often, more Republican than the male vote, and almost always was for Republicans. Since 1964 the white female vote has almost always remained Republican, it has been more Republican than the white Catholic vote, but as I said before, the female vote “as a whole” has gone Democrat since 1964, and including 1964.
I think you might be missing my point.
I am constantly seeing her heralded as having a lot in common with Reagan. I have asked someone to articulate what those things are. Aside from comparisons of Obama to Carter, I don’t see a lot.
My point is that conservatives are so hungry for someone different that they are missing the important point that Sarah does not have a lot more executive experience than Obama had when he was elected—and there is certainly no comparison between the life experiences that Reagan had at the time he was elected in ‘80—or even in ‘68 or ‘76 when runs were considered.
I cannot argue with her appeal to the conservative base. And, I also concede that if she is the nominee I would definitely vote for her over anyone on the Dem side.
But, to this point, no one has been able to articulate this oft-made comparison with Reagan, other than they are “great Americans.” It is not that I do not understand the parallels. Its simply have not seen any. Love of country and support for the military are fine. But capability to do the job is different than that.
If you think my arguments are weak, or not relevant, that is fine. Explain to me what I am missing. Every time I try to have this discussion I get flamed, called names, called a troll and worse.
I really do not see myself as a detractor, because I have NEVER suggested anyone was better. I hate Romney (I would stay home if he is nominated) and I don’t care for Newt or Huckabee. I don’t know enough about the others to have an opinion.
I am sincerely not looking for a fight, but a reasoned discussion. (My wife tells me that I am just pounding my head against the wall by coming on here and trying to discuss it.)
Well, Hank. I gave it my best shot. The only other thing I can suggest is that you read her book, “Going Rogue”, if you haven’t already (and it doesn’t sound like you have).
There are some Americans on the right who are bound and determined to diminish Sarah Palin’s accomplishments and character, and highlight and magnify what they perceive to be her shortcomings and failures. I don’t claim to understand those people’s motivation for applying those harsh standards to Palin. I simply note that they do.
Some of her detractors are openly supporting other potential candidates for 2012, which explains their negative views, but many haven’t expressed any preference for a candidate. That says to me, that they’ve succumbed to the MSM’s vile character assassination, or that they simply have some sort of personal dislike of the lady.
Dunno, but I imagine that more and more of this is going to come out of the woodwork, until such time as the enthusiasm of her campaign drowns it all out.
Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State
You'd almost think so, but no, that's pure Palin, which is why she has such broad support.
Friend, if you don't see the similarities between Reagan and Palin for yourself, or have not read where others have articulated their similarities, then all I can say, is that you simply haven't been tuned in.
I'm not trying to be invalidative, but it does boil down to observation.
There have been countless, well articulated posts on FR, that have provided the side-by-side comparisons you seek, as well as a great many articles that illuminate the answers to your question. Spend a day searching on Palin threads here, and I'm sure you'll find everything you're looking for.
If you're already a student of Reagan, then read Palin's book to fill in your substance gap about her.
Again, Reagan and Palin aren't identical. No two people are. But, Palin shares more important attributes with Reagan than any politician we've seen since his time. It's no more complicated than that.
I agree that Romney is "yuck". But who might the "several quality candidates" be. I don't see anybody out there who can begin to catch up to Sarah's existing head start. Huckabee?? IMO, as big a "yuck" as Romney. Being from Louisiana, I once favored Jindal...but his performance during the Macondo oil spill was "less than stellar". Christy is a "Schwarzenegger Republican" (probably more competent than "the Governator", but in the same category).
You sound like a democrat talking about Obama. “Dream candidate?” That’s no good.
Conservatives should have a dream America that is restored to its former glory, and no one dream person.
The work is on all of our backs. You can’t put all your eggs in the Sarah Palin basket. And some of us have to remind you that Palin endorsed McCain. She repays political favors.
She is popular and polarizing. The people who like her will listen to her, and will like any conservative candidate. Again, I don’t know why you’re so hung up on Romney, who is completely irrelevant. If we put up an equally conservative (compared with Palin, not Romney) candidate who doesn’t have the history of pop-culture dabbling that Palin does, we’ll win 2012.
You have to realize that the conditions that precipitated the landslide 2010 election will have shifted by 2012. Republicans will not get much done while Obama has a veto, so all they can do is slow things down, but that doesn’t mean things are going to improve quickly. They are just doing damage control, and the voting public will expect more than that.
That’s why we need a fresh candidate. The public associates Palin with McCain, with Bristol, with Dancing with the Stars, with Sarah Palin’s Alaska, and Tina Fey. If only McCain had tapped someone else for VP, Palin would be primed to run and win in 2012, but that’s not what happened.
We need someone fresh.
And for future reference, my mission is to see America great again.
I will do a search. I am really not trying to be a jerk. I hope you appreciate that.
What I have seen on these threads in the past is that “she is a great american.” That kind of tripe is what I hear on Hannity’s radio show, and it means nothing.
I appreciate your reasoned responses.
Hopefully, I can be a convert. And you know that converts are the best marketing for your product!
No, I sound like a conservative that is pleased about having a dream candidate that is superior to almost everyone in his life, Nixon, Ford, HW Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, GW Bush, and we cannot talk about you knee capping Palin without recognizing who is the 800 pound establishment gorilla that she is challenging, Mitt Romney.
Woo hoo!! FR is Palin Country!!
48 posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:12:51 PM by Jim Robinson
Absolutely. I don't automatically assume that because a person doesn't fully support Gov. Palin, that they've got "PDS". There are plenty of folks on our side who remain to be convinced that she's worthy of their support. That's normal, and to be expected of a wide-ranging, and individualistic voter demographic like conservatives.
What I have seen on these threads in the past is that “she is a great american.” That kind of tripe is what I hear on Hannity’s radio show, and it means nothing.
Agreed. Just calling someone a "Great American" doesn't make it so. I think it's incumbent upon every person to make their own observations of prominent Americans, and to make that call for themselves. For myself, I've seen enough unmistakable leadership qualities in Sarah Palin to make that call.
Speaking of looking with your own eyes, have a look at her speech to the Anaheim, CA GOP on October 16th:
Governor Palin's Speech at Anaheim GOP rally
I appreciate the civil discourse on such a heated topic.
Thanks for the Pings onyx.
Gotta go take care of stuff. Business as always. Back later.
Had you learned to read, and read her policy essays you would understand that which the vast majority here, and within the nation understand: That Sarah Palin is intellectually above the entire field of potential candidates.
Whomever your “PhD” may happen to be, I’m sure that when he learns to read and encounters Palin’s wisdom, he will also agree.
Gotcha??? - Unfortunately you’re stubbornly unable to “get” anything that stands in conflict with your leftist/statist dreams.
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Hey NOOB, You don’t “Think,” you came to spam.
Get educated and relevant before posting again.
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> “They are not similar in so many ways, that is scary to see her heralded as the second coming.”
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But in the areas where thay are not ‘similar’ Palin holds the strong advantage.
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> “New tag line”
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Old deception!
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> “like it or not the reality is that you have to pick off independent voters and her negatives are through the roof with them.”
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Bullshit!
Gallup’s poll asked whether people agreed with Obama or Palin, and 52% said Palin. Do you think 52% of the country is Republican?
Who do you think the audience of Dancing With the Stars is composed of? And why do the cheer madly when she takes her seat?
Who do you think TLC’s audience is? And why did a record number of them tune for Palin’s show?
You’re a troll, and not a very good one at that.
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We need a fresh freeper!
Your ignorance is really smelling the place up badly.
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