TEA Party Groups Playing With Fire (Vanity)

TCH | November 15, 2010 | TCH

[TCH]

Idiocy has its claws in the TEA Party movement!

I am a founding member of the TEA Party Patriots of SW Nebraska. I sure as hell do not approve of the recently released letter demanding that Republicans jettison "social issues!" Our group was never informed and had no input!

Ditch "social issues," that we may better focus on the economic issues? Is that so? I believe it is time for a TEA Party reality check.

You cannot promote prosperity at the expense of morality. One requires the other. God is not mocked. The Constitution may be document of incredible insight, but it is not supreme over God’s Law. Freedom requires responsible behavior... Abortion and sodomy do not qualify, and ignoring the consequences of both will result in our downfall.

Everything that affects society is a "social issue," but we are allowing ourselves to be deceived by the utopian nonsense that is Libertarianism. We do so at our peril. These individuals use the term "Social issues." WRONG! We are arguing moral and ethical issues. So what these individuals are actually stating is they want a government bereft of ethics and morality. GIVE US BREAD AND CIRCUSES!

From the beginning I stated my group is not going to be hijacked by Libertarians, and for good reason: Only fools jettison morality and ethics from government. Libertarians claim to “restore” the Constitution, while they march lock-step with the tenets of the Communist Manifesto. Libertarianism is nothing less than veiled Utopianism—a deadly poison to any ordered society, because its precepts mock God’s Law. While the Libertarian advocates the Constitution, he simultaneously disconnects its FIRST CAUSE, as stated in the Declaration of Independence: All men are endowed by THEIR CREATOR with an inalienable RIGHT TO LIFE and LIBERTY. There we have the crux of the issue. Those who established our government did so with the understanding that we are “created beings,” owing our life and liberty to a Creator, and therefore our first allegiance resulting from those created gifts must belong to the higher power. That fact explicitly requires a recognition of and obedience to transcendent moral laws established by that same Creator. However, according to the submitted “letter” endorsed by our State TEA Party leader, we should now acquiesce not to the Creator, but to men who are double-minded and thus unstable in all their ways! Thinking themselves wise they became as fools!

Notice the top signatory to this letter of “demands:” GOProud ... PROUD homosexuals of the GOP! Nice company we keep for the sake of "filthy lucre." Sacrificing moral principles under the pretense of "fiscal conservatism" will not save this country... I doubt any man of sound reason would believe in such nonsense. Abortion and homosexuality cost money: increased healthcare costs, increased insurance premiums, lost tax base, etc.

If a man fails to understand the most basic right, life, then why should we trust him with power? Such a man will give his assent to anything. What this “letter” actually states is that we want our liberty, but we do not want to pay for the consequences of its abuse! That is not liberty, it is licentiousness.

Perhaps the signatories to this "compact" do not grasp the concept that “social” issues COST THE TAXPAYER MONEY! Who pays for abortion? How many abortions are covered by insurance or government welfare? How many more may we expect via Obamacare? Consider the loss of national productivity that must be attributed to the increase in abortions--We are barely maintaining replacement population (mostly through illegal immigration); so what happens when all the baby boomers retire, and America’s workforce (ages 17-60) is reduced to a mere 14 percent of the population? Thank you to all those who demand we not consider abortion a front and center issue! They are contributing to the destruction of our culture and the downfall of our country! Oh, but wait.... they will decrease the size of government in the process! Blind fools!

Now let us turn the focus on the costs of homosexual perversion. Yes, there is a defined “normalcy” in sexuality... homosexual acts do not fall within that scope. All sexual perversion causes disease, but the homosexual variety produces a plethora of fatal infections, and not just those associated with AIDS. A great many more “nasty things” inhabit the bodies of homosexuals and lesbians as a direct result of their perverted sexual practices. If we ignore “social issues, ” then how will the unobstructed rise of these diseases impact medical care and insurance costs for those who live within the bounds of normal sexual behavior--particularly with the advent of socialized medicine--and the insistence that “pre-existing conditions” not be excluded from coverage or considered a dis-qualifier?

Libertarianism is like the Siren who attempts to convince the sailor there are no jagged rocks beneath those calm waters... A nation cannot separate social from fiscal issues... one entails the other. You cannot separate morality from government... one requires the other. Amoral or immoral men cannot govern themselves:

In 'A Letter to a Member of the National Assembly,' 1791, Edmund Burke wrote: “What is liberty without wisdom and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without restraint. Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites; in proportion as they are disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good in preference to the flattery of knaves.”

Edmund Burke continued: “Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

Libertarians argue a "non-interference" perspective; but their rationale is a straw man argument. The issue is not about those who have an inclination to same-sex attraction. However unfortunate for them, it is a personal struggle, through which they must affect a strong combat for reasons of physiological, psychological and sociological necessity.

The issue is the propagation of an intrinsically destructive doctrine that opposes life and the common good. Even if we put aside the moral imperative—which act would constitute the greatest of errors, since the moral code is a product of sound reason and marks the boundaries of that singularly most quoted imperative “love thy neighbor”—it will still be proven that anything directed against its own natural purpose is contrary to right reason.

The two sexes are specifically designed so their physiological, biological and psychological aspects are mutually beneficial. Male and female complement one another, in all regards, to the natural end that their anatomy was specifically designed to affect: procreation of the species. This natural end logically supposes an intended purpose consistent with intelligent design.

Homosexual behavior is absolute in its destruction of that purpose. Understanding that “a house divided against itself cannot stand,” it is reasonable to state that Nature does not work against itself. By logical extension, and since all things must have a first cause, then neither would an intelligent supreme being create an natural order having as a component of its initial design a species directed to its own demise.

Reason and logic dictate that whenever any object is directed against its own natural purpose, then that object is intrinsically disordered. Since the design of male and female reproductive anatomy gives irrefutable evidence to its intended purpose, it is an attack on reason to presume that biology would be so rebellious of its own preservation as to willingly submit to an ends contrary to that which affords its greatest chance of success.

Homosexual behavior acts in direct opposition to the propagation of life, both directly in its physical acts, and psychologically by subverting the natural order of creation. It is anti-life, just as much as is abortion. Being unable to sustain itself through procreation, it may increase its numbers only by seduction--a point that the doctrine of libertarian thought purposely ignores, and which has a direct impact on society at every measurable level.

The argument that same-sex attraction is a product of genetic accident is easily refuted; for if such a gene were existent for any period of time, it would soon by its own actions render itself extinct, as do most unnatural mutations. Thus it is clear that the homosexual inclination is a product of external environmental stimulus and internal psychological impediments (intrinsically disordered desire). This distinction is important for reason that the state-enforced tolerance of intrinsically disordered behaviors (perversions) aligns perfectly with the anti-life philosophy that has imposed a literal death grip upon our culture. The rationale supporting this statement is the summation of those disorders, while still generally opposed, continue to advance, continue to realize great reinforcement through subversive indoctrination of the young, and thus continue to undermine true liberty with an emboldened narcissistic flattery that pretends itself tolerance.

Thus the libertarian argument of “non-interference” where willing parties engage in private acts not harmful to a non-interested party is a patently absurd and false doctrine. Such philosophy entails the shackling of human society in a suicide pact that is contrary to the development of a resilient culture, is destructive of a sustainable and prosperous economy, and exists in direct opposition to right reason and the moral imperatives derived through the Natural Law.

Ask the signers of this piece of libertarian trash if they are willing to sell their soul for 30 pieces of silver. If they are inclined to betray the common good, for the sake of "limited government and reduced taxes," then let them do so of their own accord; they do not speak for me, and I doubt they speak for most of the THINKING individuals within the TEA Party movement, whom understand the negative consequences connected with duplicity of mind on ethical and moral issues. I do not make deals with the Devil, and neither should the TEA Party do so in my name.

[sargon]

I would just say you are doing exactly what the real enemies, the Democrats are hoping for. They have used the ‘divide and conquer’ strategy to divide the fiscal conservatives from the social conservatives. While the two are certainly not mutually exclusive, the libertarian, fiscally conservative movement is growing in numbers. By applying your social issues ‘litmus test’ to the ‘Tea Party’ you are doing the work of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al.

Agree. TEA stands for "Taxed Enough Already", if I'm not mistaken. It does not imply advocacy of various social issues at all.

Want to destroy the movement? Start mixing in all these gonadal politics, and the TEA party movement will be successfully marginalized as its "tent" shrinks more and more because of unnecessary stridency and inclusion of non-fiscal issues.

I have conservative social opinions, but I am willing to put the fiscal issues first in an effort to create as much consensus as possible.

IMHO, social conservatives should create a similar movement if they want, but should not try to steer TEA partiers away from their primary focus, that of fiscal conservatism, limited government, etc.

[Smokin' Joe]

Well, our TEA party group began meetings with the Pledge of Allegiance and a prayer!

That didn't scare away too many people here.

Ever wonder why so many people fell for DuhWon? Because of the vacuum, the empty place in their beings that secular statism just can't fill. It will be filled, one way or the other, such is human nature.

Thank you for your input, but I'd just as soon offer a less godless worldview. In the end, that will attract far more people than it pushes away--people who are looking for something the secular viewpoint just doesn't have to offer.

[Responsibility2nd]

Do you actually have a list you are keeping?

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Nahhh. I’m just cruising through some threads - especially where Jim Rob is already barking at some libs - and just posting his little “reminder”.

Just to see what happens.

[ChinaThreat]

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but the main reason the Roman Empire fell was a mass-influx of barbarians from the north who didn’t share the Roman ethic. Sound familiar? Just reverse the polarity. The Roman Republic fell the day Caesar crossed the Rubicon centuries earlier. Our government is based on a mix of the Roman Republic and Judeo-Christian beliefs.

[DJ MacWoW]

See post 77

[little jeremiah]

The letter was from a bunch of homosexuals.

[Responsibility2nd]

Free Republic is a pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty constitutional conservative activist web site. Those who cannot live with that should simply stay away!! (saves wear and tear on my zot button - bitterly clinging redneck, Jim)

 

(Watch list)

I do think sargon was warned by Jim Rob yesterday. Or at least he was butting heads with conservatives.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks.

[LomanBill]

>>I can assure you

 

No sale.

 

How'bout a nice big cut of Early Gray FAIL?

 

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ARTHUR: What happens now?

gandalf the gay: Well, now, uh, Ken Mehlman, Meghan McCain, Mary Cheney and I wait until nightfall, and then leap out of the log cabin, taking The Party(tm) by surprise -- not only by surprise, but totally unarmed!

ARTHUR: Who leaps out?

gandalf the gay: Uh, Ken Mehlman, Meghan McCain, Mary Cheney and I. Uh, leap out of the log cabin, uh and uh....

ARTHUR: Oh....

gandalf the gay: Oh.... Um, l-look, if we built this large wooden Rhinocerous -- [twong]

ALL:  Run away!  Run away!  Run away!  Run away!
      [splat]


LOMANBILL:  Oh, haw haw haw.

[wagglebee]

Want to destroy the movement? Start mixing in all these gonadal politics, and the TEA party movement will be successfully marginalized as its "tent" shrinks more and more because of unnecessary stridency and inclusion of non-fiscal issues.

By "gonadal politics" are you saying that we should ignore the sodomites and the innocent American babies being murdered every 24 seconds?

I have conservative social opinions, but I am willing to put the fiscal issues first in an effort to create as much consensus as possible.

Right, let them keep killing babies and let sodomites "marry" and maybe they will cut spending -- how's that worked out so far?

IMHO, social conservatives should create a similar movement if they want,

Reagan already did that, it's called CONSERVATISM, it's composed of fiscal conservative, social conservatism and strong national defense. It works EVERY time it's tried, everything else fails.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Well stated.

[ChinaThreat]

This is the most troubling thread I have ever read on FR. It took us nearly 230 years to get to the brink of collapse. We arent going to escape it in one or two election cycles

While I agree w JimRob on just about everything, it appears there will be a rift among us. The TEA party was a fiscal conservative movement. There are many folks in it who don’t agree on every social issue. Do you think George Washington wanted to need the French help? No, he aligned with them in order to win a cause. The French had no interest in the upstart colonists freedom.

Very troubled here.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

ping for later

[LomanBill]

>>The TEA party was a fiscal conservative movement.

Baloney. The eyes, ears, observation and experience of others here contradict that rainbow Pirate assertion.

[Responsibility2nd]

This thread? Troubling? Well, if it gets you a zot, then yeah. I guess it will be.

 

Check out these other recent threads...

 

• One more time: FR's God-given Life & Liberty constitutional conservative activism agenda!!
• Avoid Social Issues, GOP Urged (Homosexualists, Pro-Aborts Co-opt Tea Party Movement)

 

Lots of (previous) FReepers have found them troubling also.

 

And a a search for bugzapper thread. Now THAT was a troubling thread.

[DJ MacWoW]

The TEA party was a fiscal conservative movement. There are many folks in it who don’t agree on every social issue.

Really? How many Tea Parties have you been to?

Post 27 Jim Robinson

I don't know a thing about them other than what I read in the funny papers. But I have been to over a hundred tea parties in almost every state of the union traveling with the Tea Party Express. Most of the TPX people are Christians and many of them mention that in their speeches or performances on stage and always receive enthusiastic appreciative responses from the crowds. Tea Party people are for the most part God-loving, family oriented traditional American conservatives!! We cherish and defend our God-given Life and Liberty!!

Take care to abide by our Judeo-Christian heritage as opposed to evil godless Marxist progressivism/socialism and all of these problems go away.

God led the founders to build this great nation and He still lights the way for us!!

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.

[ChinaThreat]

Whatever newbie.

[ChinaThreat]

Ummmm. The Tea Party was started by a rant from Rick Santelli. And while I haven’t been to as many tea partys as you, I am also a social conservative. Have you ever been to a 3rd world country? Because if we don’t get our economic house in order, you will be living in one. And you can complain about social issues in the soup line. You are beginning to eat your own. That is troubling.

[ChinaThreat]

You expect me to take you seriously? Rainbow Pirate? Lol.

[DJ MacWoW]

And while I haven’t been to as many tea partys as you, I am also a social conservative.

The post from the link on was Jim's.

Have you ever been to a 3rd world country?

You totally don't get it. What are the morals in 3rd world countries? What was the level of poverty in America in our beginning? It was our MORAL FIBER that made us persevere and become a great nation. It has been the lack of morality that is dragging us into the pit.