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TEA Party Groups Playing With Fire (Vanity)
TCH | November 15, 2010 | TCH

Posted on 11/15/2010 3:06:08 PM PST by TCH

Idiocy has its claws in the TEA Party movement!

I am a founding member of the TEA Party Patriots of SW Nebraska. I sure as hell do not approve of the recently released letter demanding that Republicans jettison "social issues!" Our group was never informed and had no input!

Ditch "social issues," that we may better focus on the economic issues? Is that so? I believe it is time for a TEA Party reality check.

You cannot promote prosperity at the expense of morality. One requires the other. God is not mocked. The Constitution may be document of incredible insight, but it is not supreme over God’s Law. Freedom requires responsible behavior... Abortion and sodomy do not qualify, and ignoring the consequences of both will result in our downfall.

Everything that affects society is a "social issue," but we are allowing ourselves to be deceived by the utopian nonsense that is Libertarianism. We do so at our peril. These individuals use the term "Social issues." WRONG! We are arguing moral and ethical issues. So what these individuals are actually stating is they want a government bereft of ethics and morality. GIVE US BREAD AND CIRCUSES!

From the beginning I stated my group is not going to be hijacked by Libertarians, and for good reason: Only fools jettison morality and ethics from government. Libertarians claim to “restore” the Constitution, while they march lock-step with the tenets of the Communist Manifesto. Libertarianism is nothing less than veiled Utopianism—a deadly poison to any ordered society, because its precepts mock God’s Law. While the Libertarian advocates the Constitution, he simultaneously disconnects its FIRST CAUSE, as stated in the Declaration of Independence: All men are endowed by THEIR CREATOR with an inalienable RIGHT TO LIFE and LIBERTY. There we have the crux of the issue. Those who established our government did so with the understanding that we are “created beings,” owing our life and liberty to a Creator, and therefore our first allegiance resulting from those created gifts must belong to the higher power. That fact explicitly requires a recognition of and obedience to transcendent moral laws established by that same Creator. However, according to the submitted “letter” endorsed by our State TEA Party leader, we should now acquiesce not to the Creator, but to men who are double-minded and thus unstable in all their ways! Thinking themselves wise they became as fools!

Notice the top signatory to this letter of “demands:” GOProud ... PROUD homosexuals of the GOP! Nice company we keep for the sake of "filthy lucre." Sacrificing moral principles under the pretense of "fiscal conservatism" will not save this country... I doubt any man of sound reason would believe in such nonsense. Abortion and homosexuality cost money: increased healthcare costs, increased insurance premiums, lost tax base, etc.

If a man fails to understand the most basic right, life, then why should we trust him with power? Such a man will give his assent to anything. What this “letter” actually states is that we want our liberty, but we do not want to pay for the consequences of its abuse! That is not liberty, it is licentiousness.

Perhaps the signatories to this "compact" do not grasp the concept that “social” issues COST THE TAXPAYER MONEY! Who pays for abortion? How many abortions are covered by insurance or government welfare? How many more may we expect via Obamacare? Consider the loss of national productivity that must be attributed to the increase in abortions--We are barely maintaining replacement population (mostly through illegal immigration); so what happens when all the baby boomers retire, and America’s workforce (ages 17-60) is reduced to a mere 14 percent of the population? Thank you to all those who demand we not consider abortion a front and center issue! They are contributing to the destruction of our culture and the downfall of our country! Oh, but wait.... they will decrease the size of government in the process! Blind fools!

Now let us turn the focus on the costs of homosexual perversion. Yes, there is a defined “normalcy” in sexuality... homosexual acts do not fall within that scope. All sexual perversion causes disease, but the homosexual variety produces a plethora of fatal infections, and not just those associated with AIDS. A great many more “nasty things” inhabit the bodies of homosexuals and lesbians as a direct result of their perverted sexual practices. If we ignore “social issues, ” then how will the unobstructed rise of these diseases impact medical care and insurance costs for those who live within the bounds of normal sexual behavior--particularly with the advent of socialized medicine--and the insistence that “pre-existing conditions” not be excluded from coverage or considered a dis-qualifier?

Libertarianism is like the Siren who attempts to convince the sailor there are no jagged rocks beneath those calm waters... A nation cannot separate social from fiscal issues... one entails the other. You cannot separate morality from government... one requires the other. Amoral or immoral men cannot govern themselves:

In 'A Letter to a Member of the National Assembly,' 1791, Edmund Burke wrote: “What is liberty without wisdom and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without restraint. Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites; in proportion as they are disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good in preference to the flattery of knaves.”

Edmund Burke continued: “Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

Libertarians argue a "non-interference" perspective; but their rationale is a straw man argument. The issue is not about those who have an inclination to same-sex attraction. However unfortunate for them, it is a personal struggle, through which they must affect a strong combat for reasons of physiological, psychological and sociological necessity.

The issue is the propagation of an intrinsically destructive doctrine that opposes life and the common good. Even if we put aside the moral imperative—which act would constitute the greatest of errors, since the moral code is a product of sound reason and marks the boundaries of that singularly most quoted imperative “love thy neighbor”—it will still be proven that anything directed against its own natural purpose is contrary to right reason.

The two sexes are specifically designed so their physiological, biological and psychological aspects are mutually beneficial. Male and female complement one another, in all regards, to the natural end that their anatomy was specifically designed to affect: procreation of the species. This natural end logically supposes an intended purpose consistent with intelligent design.

Homosexual behavior is absolute in its destruction of that purpose. Understanding that “a house divided against itself cannot stand,” it is reasonable to state that Nature does not work against itself. By logical extension, and since all things must have a first cause, then neither would an intelligent supreme being create an natural order having as a component of its initial design a species directed to its own demise.

Reason and logic dictate that whenever any object is directed against its own natural purpose, then that object is intrinsically disordered. Since the design of male and female reproductive anatomy gives irrefutable evidence to its intended purpose, it is an attack on reason to presume that biology would be so rebellious of its own preservation as to willingly submit to an ends contrary to that which affords its greatest chance of success.

Homosexual behavior acts in direct opposition to the propagation of life, both directly in its physical acts, and psychologically by subverting the natural order of creation. It is anti-life, just as much as is abortion. Being unable to sustain itself through procreation, it may increase its numbers only by seduction--a point that the doctrine of libertarian thought purposely ignores, and which has a direct impact on society at every measurable level.

The argument that same-sex attraction is a product of genetic accident is easily refuted; for if such a gene were existent for any period of time, it would soon by its own actions render itself extinct, as do most unnatural mutations. Thus it is clear that the homosexual inclination is a product of external environmental stimulus and internal psychological impediments (intrinsically disordered desire). This distinction is important for reason that the state-enforced tolerance of intrinsically disordered behaviors (perversions) aligns perfectly with the anti-life philosophy that has imposed a literal death grip upon our culture. The rationale supporting this statement is the summation of those disorders, while still generally opposed, continue to advance, continue to realize great reinforcement through subversive indoctrination of the young, and thus continue to undermine true liberty with an emboldened narcissistic flattery that pretends itself tolerance.

Thus the libertarian argument of “non-interference” where willing parties engage in private acts not harmful to a non-interested party is a patently absurd and false doctrine. Such philosophy entails the shackling of human society in a suicide pact that is contrary to the development of a resilient culture, is destructive of a sustainable and prosperous economy, and exists in direct opposition to right reason and the moral imperatives derived through the Natural Law.

Ask the signers of this piece of libertarian trash if they are willing to sell their soul for 30 pieces of silver. If they are inclined to betray the common good, for the sake of "limited government and reduced taxes," then let them do so of their own accord; they do not speak for me, and I doubt they speak for most of the THINKING individuals within the TEA Party movement, whom understand the negative consequences connected with duplicity of mind on ethical and moral issues. I do not make deals with the Devil, and neither should the TEA Party do so in my name.


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To: TCH

Limited government except for the decisions I make in my personal life!

The conservative way!


21 posted on 11/15/2010 3:37:53 PM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: TCH

I sent TPP a letter about this, and their “jump the shark” moment on the Republican Freshman will/won’t go to whichever club is running an orientation session, there are much bigger issues.

They don’t speak for me either, and I let them know that we are not under their controll, don’t need them (though I do appreciate some good they have done).


22 posted on 11/15/2010 3:38:05 PM PST by JSDude1 (http://novemberspeaks.com/)
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To: ChinaThreat

Give me a break. The homosexual rights bullshit is just another tool of the Marxist left which is robbing us blind. Robbing us not only of our money, but of our Liberty!!

Resist or die!!

DON’T TREAD ON ME!!


23 posted on 11/15/2010 3:40:26 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: TCH

It looks like the Tea Party has already been infiltrated by Alinsky-esque provocateurs, who are trying to wreck it from within.


24 posted on 11/15/2010 3:40:26 PM PST by rfp1234
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To: derekr44

There is a growing structure. The TEA Party Patriots, an organization founded by Jenny Beth, is organized by state chapters, and each state having a state coordinator. What occurred with this damnable letter was several of these coordinators decided to commit their state to this doctrine. I have no idea whether the other groups in various states had any input into this letter, but I know for fact that our group did not, and having over 170 members, we are not inconsequential. We knew something was cooking along this line, but we were not given a chance for expressing our views.

I view this action as a power play, made by individuals who likely have designs on political office... Brown nosing at its worst in my opinion.


25 posted on 11/15/2010 3:40:46 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: rfp1234

yup


26 posted on 11/15/2010 3:42:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: paulycy
Ignore the idiots and continue to do what you know is right.

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27 posted on 11/15/2010 3:42:51 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Jim Robinson

You must have misread my post. Who is arguing for homosexual rights?


28 posted on 11/15/2010 3:47:44 PM PST by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: TCH

Later 4 me


29 posted on 11/15/2010 3:48:44 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: TCH

The TEA Party is bigger than GOProud and all their media mouth organs combined.


30 posted on 11/15/2010 3:48:56 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: milwguy
Social issues should be properly returned to states rights issues, not national issues

DADT is a National issue. I agree that everything else is State level.

31 posted on 11/15/2010 3:50:20 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TCH
Most Tea Party Groups realize the Tea Party movement is about limited government and fiscal issues. At the same time, most Tea Party People are social conservatives who realize social issues play an important role in the GOP and don't want that to change, even it they're non-partisan.

The groups who say otherwise are a very small percentage of the movement, and DO NOT speak for the Tea Party movement as a whole.

32 posted on 11/15/2010 3:52:18 PM PST by TAdams8591
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To: milwguy

I don’t think the libs have a strategy so much as stating the obvious. Once you leave the basic message that resonates with the larger group, there will be infighting to no end. Look at what happens here. If anything I think you’ve understated the situation. My guess is there will be fractures over the next two years that will limit the effectiveness. On the naively optimistic side, some good will come of it. Up to Nov. 2 the focus was narrow and it seemed to me widespread with a focus on fiscal policy and limited government. Those days are behind us and various factions and factions within factions will be pulling in different directions. Keep is simple s... would be my suggestion.


33 posted on 11/15/2010 3:53:27 PM PST by Bogeygolfer
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To: ChinaThreat
You: "Who cares if there are homosexuals in the house."
34 posted on 11/15/2010 3:54:22 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: TCH

We will never be rid of “these people.” Stay diligent. America can’t be restored to greatness with conservative economics alone. Our culture needs restoring too.


35 posted on 11/15/2010 3:55:03 PM PST by pallis
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To: TCH

Great post.

Nothing will hurt the Tea Party movement more than eschewing social conservatism for “fiscal conservatism”.

I usually find that people who claim to be “Fiscal Conservatives” are usually neither.


36 posted on 11/15/2010 3:57:16 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (They don't let you build churches in Mecca)
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To: Jim Robinson

My point is that a lack of morality led us to the edge of destruction. We are teetering on the edge of a social and economic collapse. Let’s get our asses back on solid ground economically or we run the risk of an era in which all the moral issues will be far in the back of your mind. Your mind will be focused on living through that day.I’m not using hyperbole. If I’m starving to death, I don’t give a damn where someone else puts their genitals. Unless of course it’s near me. In that case, the body attached to those genitals will not have a good day.


37 posted on 11/15/2010 3:58:21 PM PST by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: SaraJohnson

“The Federal government venturing into establishing religious and social belief structures is unconstitutional and divisive of the American people. The constitution leaves moral and social issues that touch upon spiritual values to the people, communities and States.”

Read the Constitution. Do you know why elections are held on a Tuesday? It was so farmers could make it to the polls without having to travel on a Sunday.

The first cause of the Constitution was the Declaration of Independence. Did it not base liberty on those inalienable rights endowed to man by his CREATOR?

Did that document not speciffically first enumerate LIFE as one of those inalienable rights?

So, then, your argument about federal impartiality to social issues trips over that fact and falls flat on its face.

BTW, what is the Constitution if it is not first a “social compact”

If you are going to argue about state sovereignty over cultural issues, then you had best be working to undo the 17th Amendment that gutted state’s rights. Or do you suppose I am naive of the present situation that makes the states agents of the federal power, rather than the constitutionally planned opposite?

Again, you CANNOT seperate morality from government, no matter what level of government you choose. WE are moral creatures. Thus we are inclined to desire moral leaders... or we sure as hell had best be if we desire to restore this truly republic, rather than just bring it up for a last gasp of air.

President John Adams took note that our Constitution is suited only to a MORAL and RELIGIOUS people, being wholly inadequate to govern anything less.


38 posted on 11/15/2010 4:01:13 PM PST by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: ChinaThreat

And my point is we’re going to fight the God-hating, Liberty-hating, America-hating Marxists and their enablers on EVERY front!!

No backing down. No retreat. No surrender! Not now, NOT EVER!!

Rebellion is brewing!!

DON’T TREAD ON ME!!


39 posted on 11/15/2010 4:02:38 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Amen

Amen, brother!

40 posted on 11/15/2010 4:04:37 PM PST by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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