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Wednesday, November 24, 2010 is NATIONAL OPT-OUT DAY! (Thanksgiving mess?)
National Opt-Out Day ^ | 11/08/2010 | Brian Sodergren

Posted on 11/10/2010 8:26:40 AM PST by Springfield Reformer

It's the day ordinary citizens stand up for their rights, stand up for liberty, and protest the federal government's desire to virtually strip us naked or submit to an "enhanced pat down" that touches people's breasts and genitals. You should never have to explain to your children, "Remember that no stranger can touch or see your private area, unless it's a government employee, then it's OK."

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: airport; scanner; tsa; tsapervs
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Just wondering how many folks are aware of this and do you think it will have any impact on either thanksgiving travel, and do you think it will impact TSA policy at all. Also interested in hearing constitutional opinions regarding the policy’s 4th Amendment’s "unreasonable search and seizure" implications.
1 posted on 11/10/2010 8:26:46 AM PST by Springfield Reformer
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To: Springfield Reformer
Most people will comply if only to get through quicker and make their connection.

I haven't flown in years and have no plans to do so in the foreseeable future.

2 posted on 11/10/2010 8:32:44 AM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Springfield Reformer

First I saw it, and I think it will have no effect on anything. Too little, too late. A sustained boycott - possibly supported by the pilots’ and attendants’ unions might change it.

The problem with a 4th Amendment argument is that the TSA/DHS defenders will claim that the passengers waived that right, which is their right to do, when they submit to the search.

Breaking Janet Napolitano and domesticating the feral DHS through political processes is the better way to go, and something the new TEA congress should address.


3 posted on 11/10/2010 8:35:21 AM PST by Psalm 144
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To: Springfield Reformer

Just wondering how many folks are aware of this and do you think it will have any impact on either thanksgiving travel, and do you think it will impact TSA policy at all
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I wasn’t aware of this, I do think it will slow travel down and I don’t think TSA will be bothered at all.

It might actually make some TSA control-freaks and TSA perverts happy.

I think the opt out is a good idea, we need to try and stop this any way we can.


4 posted on 11/10/2010 8:36:44 AM PST by Irenic
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To: Springfield Reformer

I think the next time I take a flight, I’m wearing a cup.


5 posted on 11/10/2010 8:39:41 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: Springfield Reformer

So, it will slow down lines for Thanksgiving travel?

I love how the toll-takers on the Pennsylvania Turnpike went on strike to make things more of a hassle and get attention to prevent job cuts.

Public reaction? EZ-Pass subscriptions went through the roof and they didn’t need nearly as many toll-takers.

Who gets the idea that inconveniencing the public will make them support your view?


6 posted on 11/10/2010 8:42:25 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Irenic

think most of the TSA have not even graduated high school.
It’s the same people who were working at airport security before 9/11.

There’s a photo of a woman head scarf wearing muslim TSA worker patting down a nun of all people.

My MIL went through Boston and got patted down and quizzed while the young Pakistani’s behind her go right on by.

It’s so frigging stupid and most of the TSA should be fired so they can be replaced with much better people like veterans (who know whaty common sense is)


7 posted on 11/10/2010 8:44:48 AM PST by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. Anyone supporting this needs mental help)
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To: Irenic

think most of the TSA have not even graduated high school.
It’s the same people who were working at airport security before 9/11.

There’s a photo of a woman head scarf wearing muslim TSA worker patting down a nun of all people.

My MIL went through Boston and got patted down and quizzed while the young Pakistani’s behind her go right on by.

It’s so frigging stupid and most of the TSA should be fired so they can be replaced with much better people like veterans (who know what common sense is)


8 posted on 11/10/2010 8:44:48 AM PST by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder as is liberalism. Anyone supporting this needs mental help)
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To: kosciusko51
I think the next time I take a flight, I’m wearing a cup.

It's not prime zucchini season, but you can still get them.

9 posted on 11/10/2010 8:45:08 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

And wrap it in Aluminum foil like they did in “Spinal Tap”...


10 posted on 11/10/2010 8:49:17 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: Springfield Reformer

I travel a lot, to much actually and I’ll always opt out and then request a female to grope me.

The whole TSA thing is BS anyway it’s nothing more then a “feel good” measure and although there are some TSA folks that take their job seriously, most are incompetent.


11 posted on 11/10/2010 8:53:58 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA, You can't fix stupid...)
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To: manc
There’s a photo of a woman head scarf wearing muslim TSA worker patting down a nun of all people.

Ridiculous. Wit all the training and background checks and restrictions required to get a license to buy a nun's habit, we should know anyone with such garb is safe!

My MIL went through Boston and got patted down and quizzed while the young Pakistani’s behind her go right on by.

Is her name Daisie E. King?

It’s so frigging stupid and most of the TSA should be fired so they can be replaced with much better people like veterans (who know whaty common sense is)

Well, that's true. There's not a single veteran alive out there who has died from a terrorist attack while serving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH8yuld4DUE

12 posted on 11/10/2010 8:56:44 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: kosciusko51

That would set off the detector early and you don’t get the full effect. Don’t want a problem with Premature Detection!


13 posted on 11/10/2010 8:58:07 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH8yuld4DUE was meant to have commentary attached. But I think that the relevance to the thread is obvious.


14 posted on 11/10/2010 8:59:59 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: maddog55
I travel a lot, to much actually and I’ll always opt out and then request a female to grope me.

I got that treatment when flying right after 9/11, but it wasn't as pleasant as you might thing--considering she was a FINO.

15 posted on 11/10/2010 9:01:34 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: kosciusko51
I wonder what would happen if I rolled up to the TSA covered head to foot in a black burka and then OPTED OUT of the naked body scanner????

((My boyfriend and I ALWAYS get stopped/searched/detained by TSA because he is Dominican and I am a Czech/Russian blonde white girl. TSA geniuses ask him questions like - and I am not kidding here - "How come you have a Spanish name?" "Do you know A-Rod?"))

16 posted on 11/10/2010 9:02:25 AM PST by BossLady (TSA Motto - Go on Vacation....Come back with Radiation!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

The “enhanced” pat-down technique is designed to make the naked scan the less intrusive option. In order to be worse than that, they pretty much have to grab your crotch and shake.

Why else would this new pat down have become suddenly necessary at the very time the naked scans were being rolled out all across the country. They are trying to herd us all through their scanners, and all the crotch-grabbing is the way they’ll do it.

The way to combat this, of course, is to opt out and demand that the TSA employee fondle you in a very familiar fashion. Then, what you must do (and this is the tough part) is pretend that you are enjoying it. If the TSA employees have to deal with dozens of passengers every day who are appearing to be gratified by their actions, this enhanced pat-down procedure will be modified in one heck of a hurry.


17 posted on 11/10/2010 9:05:05 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Anything not about elephants is irrelephant.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

We need to opt out of the TSA. Our model for airport security should be Israel. But then, big sis would have to actually hire and train real security personnel. Sadly, the government would rather pay to irradiate us and sexually molest us than to do what it takes to REALLY protect travelers.


18 posted on 11/10/2010 9:05:10 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Irenic
How about an ‘opt-out’ flying day.

Everybody move your dates one day forward or back.

Take the train or rent a car.

Just for one day.

What if all the airports were empty for an entire day.

Can you imagine how much this would cost the airlines ?

Idle employees. Empty planes? Rescheduled crews ?

Just say NO.

19 posted on 11/10/2010 9:09:17 AM PST by maine yankee
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To: Springfield Reformer
TSA employees and their DHS masters are nothing but subhuman, subintelligent power-hungry cretins. As far as I'm concerned TSA is George Bush's most dire mistake of his entire eight years, bar none.

It should be disbanded, it's employees fired and any credit for Federal service expunged from their records. These people are no better than dogs.

20 posted on 11/10/2010 9:47:30 AM PST by Gaffer
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