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In Support the 1993 Law Stating that Homosexuals are not Eligible to Serve in the Military
CMR ^ | July 23, 2008 | Elaine Donnelly

Posted on 10/15/2010 3:34:05 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

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To: Tennessee Nana

Right; the purpose of citing the statistic was to show there is and has been a problem with male-on-male sexual assault in the military. It is also only one VAMC. It went under reported for years, both male and female rape, mostly because the response from superiors was less than respective of the allegations and, often, the perpetrator was the victim’s direct superior.


21 posted on 10/18/2010 5:28:48 AM PDT by Tucson
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To: Tennessee Nana

The statistic is from a USDVA pamphlet titled Posttraumatic Stress Disorders Programs. It is listed in a section on Facts about PTSD. If you want more information, you can go to the VA website (www.va.gov) and search for PTSD and Military Sexual Trauma (MST).


22 posted on 10/18/2010 6:24:34 AM PDT by Tucson
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To: Tennessee Nana

Giving people AIDS isn’t murder?

Homosexuals do not belong in the military.


23 posted on 10/19/2010 3:45:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

More women are raped than men..

Whats your solution there ???

Ban men from serving ???


24 posted on 10/19/2010 3:56:20 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tucson

Unfortunately the % of women who were raped in the miliary who are seen at the VA or the Vet Center is miniscule

The % of reported rapes is less than the civilian population and that is at best only 10%

Women were punished in the AirForce and tossed out as “unfit” for talking...

Thus making null and void and lies anything the victim said

the Army etc was not much better...

But the Air Force has always prided itself in being a nice place for women to be so they have kept mum about any “alleged” rapes or molestation or sexual harrassment...

And had few records of rapes...

and unfortunately they still do ...

Regardless of their fancy front...


25 posted on 10/19/2010 4:05:54 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I don’t think I understand your position.

Mine is very clear:

1. Homosexuals, “out” or “closeted” do not belong in the miltary, and here are a few articles that explain why:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608370/posts

In Support the 1993 Law Stating that Homosexuals are not Eligible to Serve in the Military

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2608320/posts

Court Cases Reveal the Destructive Effects of Homosexual Misconduct [In the Military]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608306/posts

Rates of Homosexual Assault in the Military Are Disproportionately High

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608193/posts

Homosexual Assault in the Military

2. Women should be in their own units or whatever the proper terminology is, as they used to be for instance during WW2. Then the incidence of rape or other sexual assault will be much less.

And what is your position about homosexuals in the military?


26 posted on 10/19/2010 4:28:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

2. Women should be in their own units or whatever the proper terminology is, as they used to be for instance during WW2. Then the incidence of rape or other sexual assault will be much less.
________________________________________

They do have or used to...

Most rapes do not occur in the barracks...

I dont know of any incident that did occur there...

Maybe you are thinking of college dorms...


27 posted on 10/19/2010 4:33:22 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Women and men in the military are in much more contact and working in close quarters than they used to before feminism kicked in.

For one thing.

For another thing, immorality is now much more accepted, which means much more opportunity for rape.

Also, you didn’t mention your viewpoint on homoseuxals in the military; which ramps up the opportunity for same sex rapes and assaults exponentially.


28 posted on 10/19/2010 5:13:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I don’t mean to suggest the numbers enrolled in the VA PTSD programs for sexual trauma are any where near the actual number of rapes. As you indicate, rape is underreported. What the VA has done, institutionally, is to implement a program that looks at stressors and triggers as indicators of a traumatic event(s). This program was implemented in the late 1990s as both the military and the VA began to recognize, acknowledge and address military sexual trauma.

Military rape victims more often don’t file for benefits.
When they do, there is usually no record of medical attention or reports because of fear of retribution or, as you say, disciplinary action. Lacking in service records of the events, the VA looks to behavioral patterns. The 4.0 member abruptly displays unacceptable behavior, turns to alcohol and/or drugs, becomes a disciplinary problem when before they were the model member. All of those can be used to support a contention of MST.

If your comment is autobiographical and you have not filed any claim with the VA you might consider it. Work with a Veteran Service Organization to get a strong advocate.


29 posted on 10/19/2010 6:50:39 PM PDT by Tucson
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To: Tucson

I was speaking from knowledge of the process over many years..

and thank you for your concern...

I am not in need of applying for any assistance from the VA or filing a claim...


30 posted on 10/19/2010 8:19:09 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

IMPEACH THE JUDGE who found her own law, and disbar her.


31 posted on 10/19/2010 8:20:34 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

BTTT


32 posted on 10/19/2010 8:26:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Prior to this ruling, what happened to a guy who might get years of valuable education and training paid for by the government with the understanding that in exchange the guy must provide some military service if he then discovered that he was becoming a homosexual just as his military service was beginning?

Would that guy get out of his obligation?

33 posted on 10/19/2010 8:26:50 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Walts Ice Pick

If he “just discovered” he was a homosexual, he would have been lying to get the free training and education. In that case, IMO he should receive punishment and pay back all the $ it cost the military to train him.

The DADT should be repealed, and go back to “Ask, and show ‘em the door if they give the wrong answer”.


34 posted on 10/20/2010 8:48:54 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
If he “just discovered” he was a homosexual, he would have been lying

What evidence can be used to prove that he must be lying about when he discovered he was a homosexual?

And, is the government entitled to try to prove that the guy really isn't a homosexual and should not be relieved of his obligation to serve?

35 posted on 10/20/2010 9:01:34 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Walts Ice Pick

The speculative limb is getting to thin to hold any weight.

The law should be “no homosexuals in the military” whether they “discover” themselves later or not.


36 posted on 10/20/2010 9:43:25 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Walts Ice Pick

And if it is explained that any future “discovery” of “homosexual identity” will result in dishonorable discharge and reimbursement for all education and training, it would certainly weed out liars.


37 posted on 10/20/2010 9:44:44 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
That may be the answer.

I can see the potential for abuse, both by homosexuals who don't disclose before receiving education benefits and by straight people who are willing to lie after receiving education benefits.

38 posted on 10/20/2010 9:49:04 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: null and void; Venturer; Irenic

Just a couple more - FACTS are what is important, not emotion. And the facts prove without a shadow of a doubt that mentailly ill sex perverts need to be OUT of the military.


39 posted on 05/17/2013 8:33:38 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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