Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
On consideration of the Petition for Extraordinary Relief in the Nature of a Writ of Mandamus and Application for a Stay of Proceedings, the petition is DENIED.
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Thank you for your posts, I always enjoy them and learn from them!
That's why it grieves me tremendously when seeing veterans popping up as "FReepers"(?) claiming they are Conservatives and WE are NOT. Most everyone now knows by now that you have an usurper stealing his way into OUR White House, and those here are doing their very best of keeping him there at any cost!!
Their postings are the prove in the putting, and I don't hesitate to call them Quislings, in which was an Era that I lived under by tyranny. Even JimRob says he detest SPs more than anything!!!
This "cancer" should be removed by any means of surgery immediately for our nation to survive the metastasize spreading as wild fire. To me any means of this removal is better than sitting idle, whether it's by means of Taitz, Berg, Apuzzo, Donofrio, Inspector, Keyes and the many other unfruitful attempts squashed by the intimidation you mention including the judiciary. Shouldn't it be a common goal as true FReepers to save our nation from ruin, even a Honduras action???
Well yeah pretty much. A bood child is basically disowned by his own parents at the time of his adoption when they sign the papers to give him/her over to someone else.
As far as I know when a child is adopted, the birth (blood) parents relinquish all rights, inheritances, and otherwise and then sign everything (rights, privileges, etc. etc.) over to the adoptive parents. The birth (blood) bc's are amended and the originals locked away and sealed with any other petinent biological parentage information. That child becomes a child of the adoptive parents and attains to all the adoptive parents inheritances, etc. This may not seem fair to the child but it is what it is.
Now normally citizenship isn't an issue when adoptees are adopted by parents of the same nationality and citizenship of the biological parents. But in recent years with increasing adoptions of infants from foreign countries, and foreigners adopting the children of American citizens we're starting to see a new wrench thrown in regarding citizenship that the courts have really not yet addressed IMO.
Were an adopted child to run for POTUS, he couldn't get his original sealed bc even with an executive order. He's the one person who can never access those files! Until or unless the laws are changed. IMO this may well be the case with Obama, his Hawaiian bc (IF truly born there) would have been sealed when his adoption by Soetoro took place and then was amended. The one thing I do know is that the COLB he posted is fake. So 1) he wasn't born in hawaii, or 2) he can't access the original and can't use the amended one. Its also my opinion that an adopted child should never be eligible for POTUS due to the strict 'natural born' requirement. Until laws are changed the true 'natural born' status of any adoptee is unknown because those records were sealed at the time of the adoption. But that's just me, the courts really have not addressed this.
I have dealt with a lot of adoptive women who tried to get in the D.A.R. with all the ties to their adoptive parents only to get turned down due to lack of 'blood' ties which is what is required. The birth certificates they initially attempted to use for admittance into the organization records the names of their adoptive parents, not the biological ones. But it usually will also record the adoption somewhere, and also note the date when the bc was amended, etc. which is how we in the D.A.R. would be able to recognize a non-blood tie. This has led to battles to unseal the adoptive records and find out what the applicant's lineage is biologically, most of which always fail, again until the laws are changed. Unfair to the adoptive child? You betcha, but it still is what it is until laws are changed.
Now think about this scenario: Suppose Bin Laden were to somehow with our idiot government loons in charge able to adopt the child of 2 American citizens born on American soil. Now we would say biologically that child is certainly a natural born American citizen and entitled to all the privileges thereof correct? But now think about this: This child as an infant has been removed from America, taken to whereever Bin Laden's cave is and raised there for 20 years. Indoctrinated into all the horrific tenants of radical Islam and hatred of America, etc. etc. He knows nothing of his biological parents, and nothing but hatred for the land of his birth is all he knows. He returns to the USA as a young adult, given a college education etc. etc. fulfills the residency requirements, etc. etc. Now would you really want him to be eligible for POTUS???
Adoptions have thrown in another whole new can of worms regarding elibility that the courts really do need to address.
NO, not at all, and NOT the current usurper in the W.H either. I was just replying to a reply post where Mr. "WKA," the ALL knowing usually treating us like Neanderthals, posted the following to God. His surprise of the adoption/blood relation, hmmm!!!
God grief.
Funny typo. Love it.
Are you trying to say adoption gives a stronger tie than the child being yours by blood?
NO, not at all, and NOT the current usurper in the W.H either. I was just replying to a reply post where Mr. "WKA," the ALL knowing usually treating us like Neanderthals, posted the following to God. His surprise of the adoption/blood relation, hmmm!!!
God grief.
Funny typo. Love it.
Are you trying to say adoption gives a stronger tie than the child being yours by blood?
An elected and removed official that the SPs say is NOT possible, hmmm!!!
http://history.nd.gov/exhibits/governors/governors19.html
jamese, there is something that must be pointed out.
I do not question that Obama has a COLB issued by the state of Hawaii. What I question is the CIRCUMSTANCES by which baby Obama GOT it.
Hawaii routinely gave out COLB’s to foreign born babies by virtue of the fact you could register a birth up to a year after it happened. And all with out a doctor’s signature. Hawaii isn’t covering for Obama. Hawaii is covering up fraud on a massive scale. Obama is making use of this. Perhaps he WAS born at Kapiolani.
In that case, why not release all his information? No reason NOT to.
Well, what I think is that he is listed as having been born at a street address. Even if that is the solid 100% true FACT, Hawaii cannot prove he was actually born on the island because of the fraud they systematically committed in the 60’s and 70’s.
To me, this is about calling a state on Fraud. It is also about making CERTAIN that POTUS is constitutionally eligible and qualified to lead as Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the strongest nation on Earth. Being certain of that status behooves us all. It could all be settled very easily.
I have proven it is possible to get a long form from Hawaii. For CERTAIN the President of the United States could ALSO get his with a gold plated raised seal embossed on the thing if he asked for it. If I can get a black and white copy, then for DAMNED certain the President of the United States can get his.
just to repeat for posterity’s sake, Hawaii is covering its own ass. Obama just happens to be using that for some reason or another. I want to know what that reason is, and all Americans should be standing up and demanding the same thing.
You as one of his supporters should be at the freaking front of the line. I would be! I would want to know FOR CERTAIN that the guy I was bending over backwards to support and defend was WORTHY of it. I should think you would be too.
I personally could care less which way that investigation goes. If Obama is totally cleared, so be it. If he is indicted and convicted of a crime, so be it. I have no dog in the fight over Obama’s eligibility. If he is vindicated, that’s fine with me, if he is convicted, impeached and removed, that’s fine with me too.
I really don’t mean to be unkind, but I think it is the height of birther stupidity to think that anyone is going to be satisfied with any documents released under the authority of and at the direction of Barack Obama. And if Hawai’i is covering, don’t you think that they will continue to cover in collusion with their native son, Barack Obama?
Come on Danae, you seem like a reasonably intelligent woman, you’ve got to think these things through.
Since the Governor of Hawai’i, a Republican who gave one of Sarah Palin’s nominating speeches has publically stated that Obama was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center and since the Hawai’i Director of Health and Registrar of Vital Records have both publically stated that he was born in Hawai’i, it is my supposition and its only a supposition is that the records on file at the Department of Health say exactly what they have reported them as saying.
I have also noted that Kapi’olani Medical Center itself has claimed Obama’s birth in their facility.
http://www.kapiolanigift.org/doc/centennial-magazine.pdf
So, I put the challenge back to you. What is YOUR recommended path to get to the bottom of this issue? I have never once heard you endorse a real life method for resolving the Obama eligibility debate. So tell us Danae, what is the way to resolution of this issue?
Is asking Barack Obama to release his records and then trusting Obama’s word that those records are accurate and authentic your only solution?
As a matter of curiosity, have any new points been made lately, or is it the same-old, same-old?
You know jamese, for what should be a reasonably intelligent man, you do have a way for being insulting to the point where where I would like to treat you like one of my children. Your stubborn unwillingness to see anything other than what you want to see is either annoying, or funny in a watching someone tilt at windmills, without the horse sort of way!
I believe this must go through SCOTUS for a clear defination of Natural born citizen. For a LONG time I have maintained that his Hawaii documents are not as important as his parentage. His inheritance of British citizenship from his father is what makes him ineligible. No matter where the cretin was born. If obama is his father, then Obama could not have been an NBC even if he was born in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House.
The only way to get it to SCOTUS is by coming up through the court system. That is already happening. I think it is the only way. NBC must be specifically defined.
That’s my 2 cents worth.
You know jamese, for what should be a reasonably intelligent man, you do have a way for being insulting to the point where where I would like to treat you like one of my children. Your stubborn unwillingness to see anything other than what you want to see is either annoying, or funny in a watching someone tilt at windmills, without the horse sort of way!
I believe this must go through SCOTUS for a clear defination of Natural born citizen. For a LONG time I have maintained that his Hawaii documents are not as important as his parentage. His inheritance of British citizenship from his father is what makes him ineligible. No matter where the cretin was born. If obama is his father, then Obama could not have been an NBC even if he was born in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House.
The only way to get it to SCOTUS is by coming up through the court system. That is already happening. I think it is the only way. NBC must be specifically defined.
That’s my 2 cents worth.
There have been 72 Obama eligibility lawsuits that have been summarily dismissed and 8 denials of full hearings before the US Supreme Court: Berg v Obama, Beverly v Federal Elections Commission, Craig v US, Donofrio v Wells, Herbert v Obama, Lightfoot v Bowen, Schneller v Cortes, and Wrotnowski v Byseiwicz.
It is obvious to me that the Supreme Court has no interest in this issue once a candidate has already been elected to the presidency. They see it as the job of Congress to impeach, try and remove a president under separation of powers.
I see no evidence of anything significant moving through the civil court system.
That is why I advocate using the criminal side of the justice system and not the civil suit route. I still maintain that a grand jury investigation is needed to look for evidence of election fraud, fraud, altering documents and forgery.
Barack Obama himself did sign official government documents stating that he was a natural born citizen and that he was therefore eligible to be on the ballot in several different states, most notably, in Arizona. To me, those signed statements of ballot certification are the grounds for a criminal investigation that should have been held years ago.
Excellent points!
We have to just expect and have the camera phones
out and the courage to counter the vote fraud
that will likely be at a monumental pitch in this
election.
The wave of evildoers who sold their souls have
been doing their election badness for such a
longer time than we ever were wise enough to realize.
We were so naive. This time, they’re desperate.
All hell is about to break loose, never mind the
election lawsuits that’ll delay voting results for
who knows how long.
Man up, all!! Courage !! God bless us all and save
America.
You made this exact claim last month, I called B.S. on it and asked if you had any proof that this was actually true, and you produced absolutely nothing to support it.
So in the past month, have you actually found some evidence to back up this claim of yours? Or are you still just repeating the same unsubstantiated and made-up claim about Hawaii handing out 'Born in Hawaii' certificates to foreign babies in the 1960s?
Heck, for a moment, let's put aside your assertion that Hawaii did this "routinely." Have you found even ONE example of a foreign-born baby getting a birth certificate saying 'Born in Hawaii' in the 1960s? Just a single one?
Because if you're still repeating it with no new proof, after I already alerted you to the fact that you're making the claim with absolutely no supporting evidence, then I'm not sure what to make of that.
“I really don’t mean to be unkind, but I think it is the height of birther stupidity to think that anyone is going to be satisfied with any documents released under the authority of and at the direction of Barack Obama.”
Shoot, things have progressed long enough now that if a video was produced showing Don Ho singing as Obama Jr popped out of the birth canal, folks would wonder how often Don Ho traveled to Kenya, and how much George Soros paid him to do it...
Shoot, things have progressed long enough now that if a video was produced showing Don Ho singing as Obama Jr popped out of the birth canal, folks would wonder how often Don Ho traveled to Kenya, and how much George Soros paid him to do it...
Okay, gotcha ;)
You can never win with conspiracists. The lack of evidence supporting their beliefs is chalked up to the conspiracy erasing it. The evidence contradicting their beliefs is either deemed inconclusive or falsified by the conspiracy. And any person or party implicated in the narrative they refuse to accept is automatically deemed to be part of the conspiracy. To wit:
Birthers: “There’s a conspiracy surrounding Obama’s birth, so we need to see contemporary evidence of a Hawaiian birth.”
Microfiche researcher: “I found two 1961 birth announcements.”
Birthers: “Holy crap! Someone’s put fake birth announcements in the microfiche! We can’t accept anything less than the Hawaiian government officially confirming that he was born there.”
Hawaii: “Obama was born here.”
Birthers: “Holy crap! Hawaii’s in on the conspiracy too!”
The Lying Lawyers Obamas
This is from a former Chicago lawyer now practicing law in Tyler, TX.
This is legit. I checked it out myself at https://www.iardc.org Stands for Illinois Attorney Registration And Disciplinary Committee. It's the official arm of lawyer discipline in Illinois; and they are very strict and mean as hell. (Talk about irony.) Even I, at the advanced age of almost 65, maintain (at the cost of approximately $600/year) my law license that I worked so hard and long to earn.
Big surprise.
Former Constitutional Law Lecturer and U.S. President Makes Up Constitutional Quotes During State Of The Union (SOTU) Address.
Consider this:
1. President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 in order to escape charges he lied on his bar application.
A "Voluntary Surrender" is not something where you decide "Gee, a license is not really something I need anymore, is it?" and forget to renew your license. No, a "Voluntary Surrender" is something you do when you've been accused of something, and you 'voluntarily surrender" your license five seconds before the state suspends you.
2. Michelle Obama "voluntarily surrendered" her law license in 1993.
3. So, we have the first black President and First Lady - who don't actually have licenses to practice law. Facts.
Source: http://jdlong.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/pres-barack-obama-editor-of-the-Harva rd-law-review-has-no-law-license/
4. A senior lecturer is one thing, a fully ranked law professor is another. Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago.
5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school-but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.
6. "He did not hold the title of Professor of Law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.
Source: > http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html
; 7. The former Constitutional Senior Lecturer (Obama) cited the U.S. Constitution the other night during his State of the Union Address. Unfortunately, the quote he cited was from the Declaration of Independence ... not the Constitution.
8. The B-Cast posted the video: http://www.breitbart.tv/did-obama-confuse-the-constitution-with-the-declarat ion-of-independence/
9. Free Republic: In the State of the Union Address, President Obama said: "We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal.
10. Um, wrong citing, wrong founding document there Champ, I mean Mr. President. By the way, the promises are not a notion, our founders named them unalienable rights. The document is our Declaration of Independence and it reads:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
11. And this is the same guy who lectured the Supreme Court moments later in the same speech?
When you are a phony it's hard to keep facts straight.
Keep this moving - educate others. November is close...: )
In doubt? check it out through the source provided.
Baby, the vultures and scavengers are very hungry today, before the “food” stores are closing for the week-end. Don’t throw them any bones or crumbs from your table, LOL!!!
How do you explain the fact that birth registration number (10641) shown on Obama’s certificate and assigned on August 8, 1961 was higher than birth registration numbers for Nordyke twins (10637 and 10638). Their numbers were assigned by the Hawaii DoH on August 11, 1961. Their long form birth certificates were published by Honolulu Advertiser.
If the official birthplace story of birth in the Kapiolani hospital were true, Obama’s birth certificate should have been processed on August 11 together with all other birth registrations from Kapiolani for the previous week. At that time hospitals sent birth registrations to the DoH office on a weekly basis.
How do you explain the fact that birth registration number (10641) shown on Obama’s certificate and assigned on August 8, 1961 was higher than birth registration numbers for Nordyke twins (10637 and 10638). Their numbers were assigned by the Hawaii DoH on August 11, 1961. Their long form birth certificates were published by Honolulu Advertiser.
If the official birthplace story of birth in the Kapiolani hospital were true, Obama’s birth certificate should have been processed on August 11 together with all other birth registrations from Kapiolani for the previous week. At that time hospitals sent birth registrations to the DoH office on a weekly basis.
How do you explain the birth notices for Obama that appeared in the August 13th and August 14th editions of both major Honolulu newspapers? Particularly since both newspapers have confirmed that they got their birth, death and marriage notice data directly from the “Health Bureau” (back in 1961) and not from family members, relatives or friends.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
From the Republican Governor of Hawai’i: “You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this.
It’s been established. He was born here.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
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Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amendment?
Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for
1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or
2) a person born in a foreign country.
Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amended certificate of birth?
Late registration, registration one year or more after the date of the event’s occurrence, of certificates are permitted subject to evidentiary requirements.
Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for late registration?
Paternity for a child with unmarried parents can be legally established and reflected in the child’s birth certificate as described in the Voluntary Establishment of Paternity (VEP) brochure link below.
How to voluntarily establish paternity
Sample VEP completed at hospital (not for reproduction or official use)
Sample VEP completed at the Department of Health (not for reproduction or official use)
Requests to change an item (e.g., following a legal change of name) on a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth will result in the cancellation of the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth and the preparation of a late birth certificate in lieu thereof, subject to the evidentiary requirements specific to late registration in connection with Certificates of Hawaiian Birth.
Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for a late birth certificate in lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth?
(excerpt:
Who is Eligible to Apply for the Issuance of a Late Birth Certificate in Lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth?
The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.
Certified copies of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may be requested following the procedures for certified copies of standard birth certificates (see Certified Copies). The eligibility requirements for issuance of a certified copy of a standard birth certificate apply to Certificates of Hawaiian Birth.
And the same fees charged for standard birth certificates are charged for Certificates of Hawaiian Birth. Copies of the set of testimony used to establish a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may also be requested, and an additional fee is charged for each copy of the set of testimony.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html)
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“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]”
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
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*snip*
Many states have begun to grapple with the issue of immigration reform in response to Congress’ failure to act.
Hawaii Legislature has turned the other way, contrary to impressions left in a new nationwide survey, possibly because of worker shortage or liberal leanings.
The National Conference of State Legislatures reports that state legislatures considered 1,404 immigration measures this year and enacted 170 of them, including 18 measures approved by the Hawaii Legislature. State lawmakers elsewhere adopted measures aimed to curb employment of unauthorized immigrants and to make it more difficult for them to obtain state identification documents, such as driver’s licenses.
These Hawaii measures, however, can hardly be interpreted as a crackdown on illegal aliens. For example, a Hawaii bill that the NCSL says “excludes certain alien agricultural workers” from receiving unemployment benefits actually stops forcing them to pay into the program “even though they will never qualify to collect unemployment benefits.”
A new law, cited by the report, requires all persons seeking jobs with the state or any county “must be citizens, nationals or permanent residents of the United States or eligible under federal law for unrestricted employment in the United States.” However, as of October 2007 Hawaii is among the few states still issuing driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants.
http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/hawaii.html
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One only has to read and try to make sense of the policies on their website, note the reports of actual dealings FReepers have had with HI DOH, read the published reports of others on the web who’ve been engaged in attempts to get consistent and accurate information and actions from them, to grasp that they are completely unprofessional, dysfunctional, inconsistent and even contradictory.
It’s like trying to pick up jello to get a trustworthy conclusive and straight answer from what I’ve seen, and their history of past immigration and citizenship ‘ease’ and official agency laxity are well known.
God only knows what it will ever take to get fully reliable, accurate and authentic information that one could completely trust from them, but that DOES NOT absolve them in any way from the obligation to perform their sworn duties required of their government positions, professionally and accurately, under the rule of law, and to be held rigorously accountable for them.
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