Posted on 10/03/2010 9:12:54 AM PDT by kristinn
ABC News' Christiane Amanpour has done a great service today with her panel discussion on whether America should fear Islam.
Thanks to guests Franklin Graham, Robert Spencer and Peter Gadiel refusing to submit to Allah and political correctness, and the brashness of Anjem Choudary, Americans watching broadcast television have learned more about Islam in the hour long show than many have in the nine years since 9/11.
Franklin Graham was unapologetic in his stance on Islam, however he differentiated between Islam the religion and Muslim people. Gary Bauer and Ayaan Hirsi Ali also deserve credit for speaking truth to Islam on the broadcast.
AMANPOUR: I would like to go to Reza Aslan, who is joining us from Amsterdam, and who is a scholar on these matters. Reza, you have heard just right now several points raised. One is that Muslims in this country are trying to bring Sharia law. Is there a shred of evidence for that?
REZA ASLAN, WRITER, "THE DAILY BEAST"/author: No, not a single shred whatsoever. I think somebody needs to remind Franklin Graham that we don't judge our values in the United States by comparing them to what the Saudis do. This is a common refrain that you hear from a lot of anti-Muslim activists in the United States, including Robert Spencer, that, well, if, in Saudi Arabia, you can't have a church, then, therefore, in the United States, you shouldn't be allowed to have mosques. This is an appalling and laughable argument.
GRAHAM: You know we can have an argument -- but I'm not here to argue. As a Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life and that no man comes to the father in heaven except through him. I don't believe in Islam. I don't believe a word of it. I do respect their right to -- to believe whatever they want to believe. My opinions are not based on hearsay. My opinions are based on 50 years of working in Middle Eastern countries. I'm 58. I was -- eight years old when I made my first trip to Egypt. And I've been to Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia. I've worked in these countries. But I disagree, Christiane, with -- with the Sharia law, because they do stone women. They do imprison -- I -- I've worked in the Sudan, where they've burned over a thousand churches -- a thousand.
... GRAHAM: When we talk about -- there are millions of Muslims in this world that are wonderful people, who don't beat their wives, who don't practice honor killings--
AMANPOUR: Why do you call it a wicked religion, an evil religion?
GRAHAM: I think to -- to take your daughter, because you think that -- and the religion gives you the authority -- Sharia gives you the authority for honor killing. And we saw the young girl in Ohio just a few--
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KHAN: Well, this -- this particular center will create a counter-momentum against extremism, because it will amplify the voices of moderate Muslims, which have gotten drowned out over the years by the extremists, because the extremists did not only hijack the planes, they hijacked an entire religion.
AMANPOUR: Let me just say stop you there for a second, because this side is obviously the side that says one shouldn't fear and that there are moderates and the whole religion should not be painted with the same brush. I want to, though, now go to Anjem Choudary in London. You have said that you think there should be Islamic domination. Why shouldn't people be afraid of that?
CHOUDARY: Well -- well, let me just say that Islam has a solution for all of the problems that mankind faces. If you want to live at peace with Muslims, we are quite willing to live at peace with you. But let us remember that history did not begin on 9/11. Before 9/11, the Americans -- the American government bombed Sudan and Afghanistan. They were supporting the pirate state of Israel. So 9/11 was a reaction. You know, I think that we need to get away from the stereotyping. And this idea that you have moderate Muslims and you have radical Muslims, you know, it's complete nonsense. A Muslim is the one who submits to the command of the creator. If he submits, he is a practicing Muslim. If he is not, then he should be practicing.
DAISY KHAN: I have to disagree with him, because Islam is a religion of pluralism that embraces all religions and it also embraces different interpretations. This is why we have so many schools of thought. What Anjem is talking about is an exclusivist view of Islam, which is my way or the highway. And my interpretation is the only interpretation--
CHOUDARY: It's very easy for people to justify the fact that they're not practicing. I mean, this lady in your studio, she should be covering with the hijab. She's obviously not practicing --
(CROSSTALK)
CHOUDARY: There are many people who are justifying -- there are many people who are justifying the inability to practice the Sharia, to say, "Well, I have a different form of religion." You know, people want to claim that they're vegetarians and they're eating big beef burgers. You can not be a non-practicing vegetarian. Therefore, similarly, if you're a Muslim, you submit to the Sharia.
FRANKLIN GRAHAM: He's telling the truth.
AMANPOUR: You see, Reverend Graham says you're telling the truth. So, do you agree with Reverend Graham and our panelists on this side that Americans should fear Islam?
CHOUDARY: we do believe, as Muslims, the East and the West will one day be governed by the Sharia. Indeed, we believe that one day, the flag of Islam will fly over the White House. Indeed, there's even an oration of the Prophet where he said, "The day of judgment will not come until a group of my oma... -- "
DONNA MARSH O'CONNOR: Can I just -- ?
CHOUDARY: "Conquer the White House."
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AMANPOUR But is it a question now of, basically, tarring or conflating, confusing everyone, 1.57 billion Muslims around the world, with that minority group who would do harm and who would cause violence?
GADIEL: I do not say that Islam is evil. I say there is a lot of evil connected with it. That is a problem for Muslims themselves. They have to cure the problem. We're supposed to believe Ms. Khan here, that she can cure the problems of Islam at the fringes. The problem goes to the core, and that is the countries -- you cannot ignore Saudi Arabia and Iran, and the other countries that, undoubtedly do oppress people of a different religion --
AMANPOUR: But we're talking about -- we're talking about America here.
GADIEL: We're talking about right now a very small number of people in this country. And what we are afraid of, is that as the number grows, the violence will grow, as we have seen in Holland, and as we see in Germany, and as we see in England. Do we have a reason to be afraid of Muslims right now? No, the number's not very great. But your mosques, moderate, wherever they are, have been infiltrated and have a history of being infiltrated by radicals. And you can't deny it. And you may, for all I know, not be a moderate you pretend to be, because you may be engaging in takia and be engaging in lying for the purpose of furthering your religion.
(LAUGHTER)
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ASLAN: Well, it comes from the - an organization, a neo - not - what the E.U. refers to as the neo-Nazi organization called Stop Islamization of Europe. And that kind of institutionalized Islamophobia is precisely what your organization, Stop Islamization of America, is importing into the United States. And honestly, you're on the wrong side of history. And very soon, in a couple of decades, you will be sweeped and your ideas will be sweeped into the garbage bin of history, along with the anti-Semites of the 20th century and the anti-Catholics of the 19th century.
(APPLAUSE)
SPENCER: Here again, Reza Aslan is displacing responsibility and trying to act as if this is something that I am doing that is illegitimate, or something that I have created. When actually, you look at the writings of 20th century -- muslim brotherhood theorists like and people like Madudi in Pakistan, the founder of Jamaat-e-Islami -- he says, "Non Muslims have absolutely no right to wield the reins of power in any part of God's earth. And, if they do, it is the believer's responsibility to dislodge them from that power by any means possible."
Christian Amanpour gave everybody room to talk. The Muslims on the panel tried but failed to dispel the truths spoken by those opposed to Islam spreading in America.
If Amanpour was hoping for a kumbaya moment, she didn't get one.
Of course it’s the same funding for the Mosque...they are masters at “washing” all monies they donate. It’s politics and how they work...if you recall they are a political movement then it is very easy to understand that of course the Mosques and foreign monies are funding these Mosques and community centers. So yes, the same sources are also sponsoring terrorists.
Mamapour is definately supportive of Moslems...that will not change...she is one of them.
This is their goal. On this subject, I strongly recommend Andrew McCarthy’s book “The Grand Jihad-How Islam and the Left Sabotage America”.
No mincing of words there.
I want it as a tattoo on my bicep.
And if reading *wikipedia* would have *that* effect imagine what an *accurate* depiction of this pig fornicator would do!
Islam is a satanic religion, there's no question about it.
Some even believe it may be the endtime religion of the antichrist.
What other religion today beheads nonbelievers, as Revelation says will happen?
Europe is in post-Christianity, Islam is on the rise.
America calls itself Christian, but I'm sure the pilgrims wouldn't recognize us as such.
The great falling away from Christianity, I believe, is in progress.
Can you elaborate on the “guy with the parking lot in Florida”? What does that mean?
There is one force that can tackle Islam... However this force is a greater threat than Islam. It is Communism.
Frightening stuff, but I think we're already well aware that the Moslems have Sharia in mind.
They must not read history at all. Otherwise, they would know the consequences of their economic policies-!
I wonder if the courts would rule that the burning of the flag of Islam was free speech once it was flying at the White House.
ditto
It won't matter a hill of beans. Islam is a totalitarian world view; it is a dictatorship. If there are moderate Muslims, they are subjugated by the hard core true believers every time. They possess no power.
Islam must be reformed by Muslims. Until that happens, Islam is our implacable ENEMY, and must be purged from the west.
ON THE INTERNET:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/anjemchoudary/index
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/choudary/index
Once the hippies are thrown out, things will be very different. Very, very different.
Found on page 2.
www.youtube.com/user/anjemchoudary
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Previously...
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68067F20100902
“Interview: UK Islamist says like-minded U.S. groups expanding”
By William Maclean, Security Correspondent
LONDON | Thu Sep 2, 2010 3:06am EDT
SNIPPET: “(Reuters) - Radical U.S. Muslim discussion groups are growing in influence much as similar forums did in 1990s Britain, a hardline British preacher said on Wednesday, referring to a period when London was Europe’s Islamist hub.
Anjem Choudary, accused by his critics of poisoning young Muslim minds with virulent anti-Western propaganda, added that a ban on a group he had led had backfired on UK authorities by boosting his standing among European and U.S. Muslims who shared his aim of establishing sharia (Islamic law) in the West.
Choudary told Reuters global publicity about Britain’s January 2010 prohibition of Islam4UK had provoked the creation or expansion of similar groups in Belgium, France, Switzerland, Sweden and Denmark and even in Australia and Indonesia.”
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NOTE: The url listed in the article snippet was made non-clickable for this post by me.
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www.revolutionmuslim.com/2010/07/imam-anjem-choudary-warns-of-terror.html
WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, 2010
“Imam Anjem Choudary Warns of Terror Attacks Worse than July 7, 2005”
SNIPPET: “July 6, 2010 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNew.org - On the eve of the 5th anniversary of the UK’s worst case of domestic terrorism - the Muslim bombings which took place on the morning of July 7, 2005, claiming 52 lives - Anjem Choudary, the hate preacher who formerly ran the terror linked Al-Muhajiroun, has warned that if Britain doesn’t withdraw its “troops from Muslim countries,” and “stop supporting the pirate state of Israel” that even worse attacks will ensue. [source, www.anjemchoudary.com]
The four responsible for the 7/7 attack were Hasib Hussain, Mohammad Sidique Khan, Germaine Lindsay and Shehzad Tanweer.
Choudary pointed to a recent study by the Center for Social Cohesion outlining the increasing radicalization of Muslim youth in the UK as evidence that the means to instigate a campaign of home grown terror is firmly in place. The study also closely linked Choudary’s Muhajiroun with terrorism.”
You are quite wrong. The people who promote Islam think they will be the ones the least affected. Notice how the celebs glorify fascism and communism, because they think they are smart enough to run everything. Then someone like Stalin comes along and purges them. The entertainers will be the first ones stoned/hanged/shot. Entertainers think hanging out in a harem is cool, until they realize how much they are as sex objects.
My real regret, is that we are dragged along as they live their dream lives, living the reality which is a nightmare.
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