Posted on 08/24/2010 6:37:15 PM PDT by RobinMasters
The State Department is maintaining a "counter-misinformation" page on an America.gov blog that attempts to "debunk a conspiracy theory" that President Obama was not born in the United States, as if the topic were equivalent to believing space aliens visit Earth in flying saucers.
However, in the attempt to debunk the Obama birth-certificate controversy, the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961.
In a number of court cases challenging Obama's eligibility, dual citizenship has been raised as a factor that could compromise his "natural born" status under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. The cases argue dual citizenship would make Obama ineligible even if documentary evidence were shown the public, such as the hospital-issued long-form birth certificate that indicates the place of his birth and the name of the attending physician.
The entry "The Obama Birth Controversy" was written by Todd Leventhal, identified as the chief of the Counter-Misinformation Team for the U.S. Department of State. The office appears to have been established "to provide information about false and misleading stories in the Middle East," as described in a biography of Leventhal published on the U.S. Public Diplomacy website.
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Of course it is.
The absence of evidence to substantiate the conspiracy is just further evidence of the all pervasive nature of the conspiracy!!!!
Kind of like the Mearns poem about wishing that the man who wasn't there would go away?
I disagree and do not find the line of reasoning you used to be persuasive.
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I believe it because I am the guy who believes he met Obama in 1980 in Hawaii, when I was stationed here.
Is that one of the other seven?
You’re making a fallacious circular argument. Obama has been caught, but mysteriously, the elction authorities and Congress are not enforcing the removal of this fraud. The fact that he managed to fool them doesn’t make him eligible for the job he occupies.
Thank you, but I do understand all that. You are aware, though, that other birthers insist that “native citizen” and “natural-born citizen” are two different categories? And that when Obama fightthesmears site said he was a native citizen, it did so in full knowledge that that wasn’t good enough to be President? I will assume you disagree with them on that point.
I am sorry, though not surprised, that you fail to understand my question.
Man, you are losing it. Just there for 'decoration'??? This almost as stupid as saying a comment in an interview = a news release. The decision gave a definition of natural born citizen ... born in the country to parents who are citizens. WKA didn't fit the definition, so the court had to figure out a way to make WKA a citizen of the United States in accordance with the 14th amendment, because it wasn't clear that WKA fit the jurisdiction clause. That's why the English common law stuff is quoted. Nobody found NBC to be the SAME as NBS. You've miscontrued a statement saying subject and citizen are similar into meaning that NBS = NBS. Sorry, but this is nonsense and delusion. No wonder you're melting down.
No, this misunderstanding applies to a lot of people, not just those you choose to label in a pointless fashion. I explained that America has been dumbed down. Did you not read that part or did you already forget it?? You're kind of proving my point.
Obama is playing on that stupidity to exploit people's misunderstanding of the phrase natural born citizen. If you think he's using a Vattel definition of native-born, feel free to show what leads you to this conclusion.
As I recall Corsi was arrested in Kenya. Then following his release he quit going on Fox News when it came out Corsi was looking into thiw issue. The higher ups were silencing Fix News. But he did have a debate with Bob Beckel on Fox News before he faded away. He made a long interview on Washington Journal on cspan before fading as well. he was for Chuck Baldwin so he took shots a beltway republicans as well.
As I recall Corsi was arrested in Kenya. Then following his release he quit going on Fox News when it came out Corsi was looking into this issue. The higher ups were silencing Fox News. But he did have a debate with Bob Beckel on Fox News before he faded away. He made a long interview on Washington Journal on cspan before fading as well. he was for Chuck Baldwin so he took shots a beltway republicans as well.
I would add that following the events in Kenya he quit claiming things.
Right. I said that, and YOU followed by talking about a long list of court cases that supports my point. Thank you for taking another one on the chin. What you didn't do this time is quote the rest of my post that said, "The focus on Obama’s inability to prove his place of birth kept most people from realizing that his parents’ citizenships mattered too." This undermines your weird argument that I'm trying to blame only Obama or the Democrats for focusing on Obama's place of birth, although they did. Do you not remember how a pointless mention of Obama's alleged birth was stuffed in a resolution about Hawaii's 50th birthday as a state??
I do enjoy your running commentary on what’s happening in the debate while you are also a part of it! Its very entertaining to see you attempting to be a legend in your own mind and declaring your own fantasies of victory!
I'm glad to see you're a good sport and can handle losing with dignity. It keeps me from feeling like I'm gloating too much every time you carelessly lose another argument to me.
For all but the really, really stupid who are living in the state of Denial, Obama has proven where and when he was born and he has had that information backed up by the Governor of that state, the Director of Health of that State, the Attorney General of that state and the Registrar of Vital Statistics for that State.
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan. There you go again. The only really, really stupid PEOPLE (you left that out) who are living in the state of Denial, are those who believe what you claim. Stupid. Gullible. Useful idiots. Tools. Doofuses. Faithers. All birds of the same feather.
So have you figured out why no legal authority agrees with your interpretation of WKA? No one?
They dedicate a third of their decision to discussing how WKA meets the qualifications for NBS, and how NBS is just another phrasing of NBC...and you just wish it away?
Notice, the didn’t say that NBS & NBC are similar, but “precisely analogous”, with the difference only in form of government it falls under.
I’m not in meltdown. Every state in the union agrees with me. Every court. Every member of Congress. McCain. Palin. Limbaugh. Coulter. Malkin.
Can you explain why everyone has sold out, and only you are true?
What decision? I'm talking about what the 14th Amendemnt did, not any SCOTUS decision.
Right. Free persons still have to be born of citizen parents in the country in order to be natural born citizens.
You have yet to cite a single SCOTUS decision to back up this claim of yours. And no, Justice Waite did not say it, your ripping him out of context not withstanding.
The 14th amendment created citizenship at birth for persons not born to citizen parents,
Not true. The 14th Amendment did not change anything for people born free. Free persons born to free non-citizen parents were natural born citizens before the 14th Amendment was passed, and they continued to be natural born citizens afterward. The only thing the 14th Amendment changed was the citizenship status of persons born as slaves on US soil, making them equal to native persons born free. That's it.
No, they used common law to justify citizenship for the children of those persons with permanent allegiance because natural born citizenship didn't apply to WKA.
That is simply not true. Please cite where they claim natural born citizenship didn't apply to WKA.
You haven't proven this claim. Next.
They dedicate a third of their decision to discussing how WKA meets the qualifications for NBS, and how NBS is just another phrasing of NBC...and you just wish it away?
I can't wish away something that isn't there in the first place. Nothing in that decision says natural born subject is just another phrasing of NBC. This is more delusion on your part.
Notice, the didn’t say that NBS & NBC are similar, but “precisely analogous”, with the difference only in form of government it falls under.
Again. This is delusion. There is NO statement that NBS and NBC are precisely analagous.
I’m not in meltdown. Every state in the union agrees with me. Every court. Every member of Congress. McCain. Palin. Limbaugh. Coulter. Malkin.
Please provide a citation from every state in the Union saying they agree with you.
Can you explain why everyone has sold out, and only you are true?
You haven't proved EVERYONE has sold out. I do know that a lot of people don't want to be labeled as racist, which is the faither crutch on this issue.
Every state allowed Obama on the ballot, knowing his father wasn’t a citizen. No state legislature, no state Sec of State, no Gov, no DA - NO ONE objected. 50 of 50 allowed him on the ballot without complaint.
Or did you miss that fact?
Not one member of Congress raised an objection in Jan 2009.
The only court to try the merits of a birther case rejected them with barely concealed contempt.
There is no one with legal standing who agrees with you. If there was, you could generate a court case, couldn’t you...but you’ve come up empty. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
What color is the sky on the planet where you live?
edge919: You haven't proven this claim. Next.
LOL. There's good old birther tactic #2 again, shifting of the burden of proof.
Listen, edge919: it's impossible to prove a universal negative. That's why if you want to assert that some legal authority agrees with you, the onus is on YOU to cite one.
The onus is not on us to prove that no one agrees with you. If you can't find a single legal authority to agree with you, then the only valid conclusion is that none does.
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