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Georgia archaeologists find Confederate POW camp
Yahoo News ^ | 8/18/10 | Russ Bynum/AP

Posted on 08/18/2010 1:35:41 PM PDT by wagglebee

SAVANNAH, Ga. – Preserved for nearly 150 years, perhaps by its own obscurity, a short-lived Confederate prison camp began yielding treasures from the Civil War almost as soon as archeologists began searching for it in southeastern Georgia.

They found a corroded bronze buckle used to fasten tourniquets during amputations, a makeshift tobacco pipe with teeth marks in the stem, and a picture frame folded and kept after the daguerreotype it held was lost.

Georgia officials say the discoveries, announced Wednesday, were made by a 36-year-old graduate student at Georgia Southern University who set out to find Camp Lawton for his thesis project in archaeology.

He stunned experienced pros by not only pinpointing the site, but also unearthing rare artifacts from a prison camp known as little more than a historical footnote on the path of Gen. William T. Sherman's devasting march from Atlanta to Savannah.

"What makes Camp Lawton so unique is it's one of those little frozen moments in time, and you don't get those very often," said Dave Crass, Georgia's state archaeologist. "Most professional archaeologists who ever thought about Camp Lawton came to the implicit conclusion that, because people weren't there very long, there wouldn't be much to find."

Camp Lawton imprisoned more than 10,000 Union troops after it opened in October 1864 to replace the infamously hellish war prison at Andersonville. But it lasted barely six weeks before Sherman's army arrived in November and burned it.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederacy; godsgravesglyphs; powcamp
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Amazing that it has gone undiscovered this long.
1 posted on 08/18/2010 1:35:43 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: SunkenCiv; Pharmboy

Not really quite right for either of your ping lists, but you might still be interested.


2 posted on 08/18/2010 1:36:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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This is the first time I've read a headline like that and immediately thought -- "in Russia?"

Usually I see a headline about Chechnyan rebels in Georgia and I think "How close to Alabama was that?"

3 posted on 08/18/2010 1:39:58 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: wagglebee
Very interesting, indeed.
The sensation of digging with a small shovel and "hitting" upon something manmade buried below must be very exciting.
4 posted on 08/18/2010 1:41:01 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: wagglebee

Really neat.

But I feel sorry for this guy and anyone else working out there on that site during this particular 105 degree summer.

Heat is one thing, but that area gets brutal... not to mention the gnats.


5 posted on 08/18/2010 1:41:49 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: wagglebee

There are still a lot of undiscovered sites.
I remember reading a history of the Marine Corps
which described the dumping of many cannon off a
particular pier in Charleston Harbor
at the end of the war.

Presumeably they are still there...waiting to
be found.


6 posted on 08/18/2010 1:42:27 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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very interesting...thanks for posting..

It is indeed unusual to go unnoticed for so long..
I sure would like to see some of the artifacts...


7 posted on 08/18/2010 1:42:50 PM PDT by aimee5291
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To: Noamie

You don’t have to convince me, I’ve spent a fair amount of time in south Georgia, it’s pretty brutal by mid-April.


8 posted on 08/18/2010 1:45:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ClearCase_guy

LMAO!


9 posted on 08/18/2010 1:46:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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“...yielding treasures..”

Treasures - these sick *****s in the liberal media.

Horrible horrible war that was mindless. It was an economic war. Slavery should have been abolished but this was not what the war was really about.

The number of dead, maimed, wounded was staggering. Sadly things may get like the 1930s or the Civil War sooner than later. The Imam wants it that way


10 posted on 08/18/2010 1:52:57 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE)
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To: tet68
A friend ran a scuba charter from Wrightsville Beach NC. His wife was BIG into Civil War history & artifacts. She worked @ Ft. Fisher Park for a while.
He brought up odds & ends from waters outside of the park, and I have a few small civil war items myself from going with him.
There are a LOT of cannon, steam engine blocks, etc still on the ocean floor around there...but-
since they are considered 'goverment property' by maritime law, they are hands off for civilians.
And as the Ft. Fisher museum has more in the way of artifacts than they can conveniently preserve at any given moment, those artifacts are probably doomed to sit rusting on the bottom, when any number of civilians would restore and display them...
ps: my friend has a brass steam valve 'block' in his back yard he uses as a work table :)
11 posted on 08/18/2010 2:01:03 PM PDT by 45semi ("Islam has bloody borders" - Samuel Huntington)
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To: wagglebee

http://www.georgiasouthern.edu/camplawton/


12 posted on 08/18/2010 2:02:32 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: wagglebee
Library Of Congress Links Camp Lawton (Zoom View) @ LOC The New York Tribune (New York), June 11, 1916 NY Times (1896): OBITUARY RECORD ( Click on PDF) For those interested, I posted a few LOC pics from Savannah last December.... Savannah History: War, Music, And Southern Sophistication
13 posted on 08/18/2010 2:28:10 PM PDT by luckybogey
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Good stories like this give me hope when I go out with my metal detector.


14 posted on 08/18/2010 3:47:12 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Gone Galt and loving it)
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"This is the first time I've read a headline like that and immediately thought -- "in Russia?" Usually I see a headline about Chechnyan rebels in Georgia and I think "How close to Alabama was that?""

LOL...as a native Pennsylvanian (PA) I misread headlines about the Palestinian Authority all the time...

15 posted on 08/18/2010 3:52:57 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: wagglebee

Very interesting stuff.


16 posted on 08/18/2010 7:11:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (What does the LORD require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?)
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I generally do add Civil War topics, but don't ping. Saw this yesterday or day before, and I thought I'd seen it here, but it must have been posted (maybe by me, blush) on Facebook.

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17 posted on 08/18/2010 7:22:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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Secession Timeline
various sources

[Although very late in the war Lee wanted freedom offered to any of the slaves who would agree to fight for the Confederacy, practically no one was stupid enough to fall for that. In any case, Lee was definitely not fighting to end slavery, instead writing that black folks are better off in bondage than they were free in Africa, and regardless, slavery will be around until Providence decides, and who are we to second guess that? And the only reason the masters beat their slaves is because of the abolitionists.]

Robert E. Lee letter -- "...There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master..."
December 27, 1856

Platform of the Alabama Democracy -- the first Dixiecrats wanted to be able to expand slavery into the territories. It was precisely the issue of slavery that drove secession -- and talk about "sovereignty" pertained to restrictions on slavery's expansion into the territories. January 1860

Abraham Lincoln nominated by Republican Party May 18, 1860

Abraham Lincoln elected November 6, 1860

Robert Toombs, Speech to the Georgia Legislature -- "...In 1790 we had less than eight hundred thousand slaves. Under our mild and humane administration of the system they have increased above four millions. The country has expanded to meet this growing want, and Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Missouri, have received this increasing tide of African labor; before the end of this century, at precisely the same rate of increase, the Africans among us in a subordinate condition will amount to eleven millions of persons. What shall be done with them? We must expand or perish. We are constrained by an inexorable necessity to accept expansion or extermination. Those who tell you that the territorial question is an abstraction, that you can never colonize another territory without the African slavetrade, are both deaf and blind to the history of the last sixty years. All just reasoning, all past history, condemn the fallacy. The North understand it better - they have told us for twenty years that their object was to pen up slavery within its present limits - surround it with a border of free States, and like the scorpion surrounded with fire, they will make it sting itself to death." November 13, 1860

Alexander H. Stephens -- "...The first question that presents itself is, shall the people of Georgia secede from the Union in consequence of the election of Mr. Lincoln to the Presidency of the United States? My countrymen, I tell you frankly, candidly, and earnestly, that I do not think that they ought. In my judgment, the election of no man, constitutionally chosen to that high office, is sufficient cause to justify any State to separate from the Union. It ought to stand by and aid still in maintaining the Constitution of the country. To make a point of resistance to the Government, to withdraw from it because any man has been elected, would put us in the wrong. We are pledged to maintain the Constitution." November 14, 1860

South Carolina December 20, 1860

Mississippi January 9, 1861

Florida January 10, 1861

Alabama January 11, 1861

Georgia January 19, 1861

Louisiana January 26, 1861

Texas February 23, 1861

Abraham Lincoln sworn in as
President of the United States
March 4, 1861

Arizona territory March 16, 1861

CSA Vice President Alexander H. Stephens, Cornerstone speech -- "...last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the 'rock upon which the old Union would split.' He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact." March 21, 1861

Virginia adopted April 17,1861
ratified by voters May 23, 1861

Arkansas May 6, 1861

North Carolina May 20, 1861

Tennessee adopted May 6, 1861
ratified June 8, 1861

West Virginia declares for the Union June 19, 1861

Missouri October 31, 1861

"Convention of the People of Kentucky" November 20, 1861

http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/ordnces.html

[Alabama] "...Whereas, the election of Abraham Lincoln and Hannibal Hamlin to the offices of president and vice-president of the United States of America, by a sectional party, avowedly hostile to the domestic institutions and to the peace and security of the people of the State of Alabama, preceded by many and dangerous infractions of the constitution of the United States by many of the States and people of the Northern section, is a political wrong of so insulting and manacing a character as to justify the people of the State of Alabama in the adoption of prompt and decided measures for their future peace and security... And as it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent Government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States, Be it resolved by the people of Alabama in Convention assembled, That the people of the States of Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky and Missouri, be and are hereby invited to meet the people of the State of Alabama, by their Delegates, in Convention, on the 4th day of February, A.D., 1861, at the city of Montgomery, in the State of Alabama, for the purpose of consulting with each other as to the most effectual mode of securing concerted and harmonious action in whatever measures may be deemed most desirable for our common peace and security." [Jan 11, 1861]

[Texas] "...The recent developments in Federal affairs make it evident that the power of the Federal Government is sought to be made a weapon with which to strike down the interests and property of the people of Texas, and her sister slave-holding States, instead of permitting it to be, as was intended, our shield against outrage and aggression..." [Feb 1, 1861]

[Virginia] "...the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States..." [Feb 23, 1861]

http://www.csawardept.com/documents/secession/AZ/index.html

[Arizona Territory] "...a sectional party of the North has disregarded the Constitution of the United States, violated the rights of the Southern States, and heaped wrongs and indignities upon their people... That we will not recognize the present Black Republican Administration, and that we will resist any officers appointed to this Territory by said Administration with whatever means in our power." [16 March 1861 -- Abraham Lincoln was sworn in as President of the United States on March 4, 1861. The pretext for Arizona's secession was interruption of U.S. postal service.]

18 posted on 08/18/2010 7:24:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: luckybogey

Sorry, but only the obituary record link is working (at least for me).


19 posted on 08/18/2010 8:16:39 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: SunkenCiv
The North understand it better - they have told us for twenty years that their object was to pen up slavery within its present limits - surround it with a border of free States, and like the scorpion surrounded with fire, they will make it sting itself to death.

Works for me.

The problem is that many on both sides of the issue did not see how black slaves could be integrated into American society if freed. Given the problems along this line we're still dealing with 150 years later, it's difficult to say they were wrong to be worried.

20 posted on 08/18/2010 9:43:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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