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A Secular Argument Against Gay Marriage
OrthodoxNet ^ | 8/5/2010 | Fr. Johannes Jacobse

Posted on 08/05/2010 2:00:52 PM PDT by ezfindit

Regarding the destructiveness of "gay marriage": To me, what is at stake in this debate is not only the potential unhappiness of children, grave as that is; it is our ability to maintain the most basic components of our humanity. I believe, in fact, that we are at an “Antigone moment.”

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The Apostle Paul speaks of “the wisdom of the world” but there it means a kind of assumption of wisdom where in fact none exists. Reducing all wisdom to within the Church is merely the reverse of the secular paradigm, imposing a categorical distinction where in fact none really exists.

(Excerpt) Read more at orthodoxytoday.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christianity; church; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; secularism
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A must read!
1 posted on 08/05/2010 2:00:54 PM PDT by ezfindit
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To: ezfindit

Is what you want us to read at that link, or another link?


2 posted on 08/05/2010 2:15:30 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

Yes, the summary at the link provided. The much longer article is huge.


3 posted on 08/05/2010 2:21:03 PM PDT by ezfindit (ConservativeDatingSite.com - The Right Place for Conservative Singles)
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To: ezfindit

Secularists are big on Darwin and evolution.

How, then, do they propose to propagate the race via same-sex couples?


4 posted on 08/05/2010 2:26:46 PM PDT by relictele (Me lumen vos umbra regit)
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To: ezfindit

If marriage can be redefined arbitrarily once by the state, then it can be redefined arbitrarily again, to something else, later. Maybe soon, people will be able to marry siblings, or animals, or more than one person at the same time. Where does it end?


5 posted on 08/05/2010 2:29:32 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: ezfindit

Recipe for anarchy.


6 posted on 08/05/2010 2:31:42 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: ezfindit

I am not religious nor a Christian though I do believe that there is a GOD or Creator. Opposition to homosexuality is not based upon religion. It is based upon the obvious fact that homosexuality is against human nature. It is against common sense even. Human beings are very obviously designed to procreate and homosexuality is just a severe corruption of that design. Considering that human sexuality is essential to mankind’s existence (the raising of the next generation) then any corruption must be controlled and discouraged. Corruption uncontrolled will lead to further corruption. This is obvious even in how every type of sexual corruption or perversion is even more pronounced in the homosexual communities.

You do not at all have to be religious to be against homosexuality. All it takes is some basic common sense to tell that it is no good for children and society.


7 posted on 08/05/2010 2:34:30 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: mjp
"Maybe soon, people will be able to marry siblings, or animals, or more than one person at the same time. Where does it end? "

When they can't make any Federal money out of it.

8 posted on 08/05/2010 2:35:12 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: ezfindit

I don’t get it, where is the link to the must read article?

Is this it? http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles2/SchulmanGayMarriage.php


9 posted on 08/05/2010 2:37:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: mjp

It doesn’t end. When an argument rests entirely on a prima facie case for “fairness” without looking into it any deeper, than anything goes. Its unfair to have any boundaries at all because by definition, someone or some group is going to be outside that boundary and thus will be victims of that boundary.


10 posted on 08/05/2010 2:40:14 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (In the White House the mighty White House the Liar sleeps tonight.............)
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To: ezfindit

btt


11 posted on 08/05/2010 2:42:47 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: ezfindit

We don’t need no stinkin’ “secular argument”...

seriously.

Marriage is a representation of the character and nature of God.

Gay “marriage” is simply a perversion and blasphemy.


12 posted on 08/05/2010 2:44:09 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: mjp

“If marriage can be redefined arbitrarily once by the state, then it can be redefined arbitrarily again, to something else, later.”

What people do NOT understand is that 2 + 2 ALWAYS equals 4. New math, old math, ALgebra - it does not matter: 2+2=4.

Now, the state wants to say that 2+2=6! And you people wanting 2+2 to equal 4 are just bigots!

Oh, and you do not have a right to tell the number 2 that they are not the same as a 3 (even thought it IS NOT a 3)!

This really good question MUST be repeated: Where does it end?


13 posted on 08/05/2010 2:53:41 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: relictele

Do the couples have to be Gay?
If so how do they prove it?


14 posted on 08/05/2010 3:07:13 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: ezfindit

To me the authors were making a claim that there was a “secular argument” (which I too believe there is) but then they actually did not articulate that argument; they simply said the “Christian” argument is both secular and religious, but even there they did not do a good job of explaining how that was so.

I don’t think the authors improved anything in the debates on this issue.


15 posted on 08/05/2010 3:09:13 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: TASMANIANRED
Recipe for anarchy.

That's the intent.

Cordially,

16 posted on 08/05/2010 3:11:50 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: screaminsunshine

“Do the couples have to be Gay?
If so how do they prove it?”

These are good questions. With this ruling, any two “beings” are allowed to be married and get all of the rights and privileges of the very social structure which brought about their existence - all while they are attempting to destroy that very structure!

“Circular firing squad” comes to mind!


17 posted on 08/05/2010 3:16:36 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: ezfindit

“Gay Marriage” is an obvious oxymoron. Marriage, by definition, is the union of one man and one woman.

Debate is utterly superfluous.


18 posted on 08/05/2010 3:29:04 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: ExTxMarine

This is crazy. Can you see a flaming gay couple in divorce court? It would make a good tv show. Probably beat Jerry Springer.


19 posted on 08/05/2010 3:35:41 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: ezfindit
I noticed this tidbit in the longer article..

Influential legal bodies in both the United States and Canada have presented radical programs of marital reform, . . . [even] the abolition of marriage. The ideas behind this movement have already achieved surprising influence with a prominent American politician [Al Gore].

seems Al was successful in abolishing his marriage...

20 posted on 08/05/2010 3:39:46 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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