Posted on 07/27/2010 11:25:06 AM PDT by topher
It is a well known fact that most homosexuals are not born that way.
They just get sucked into it.
Just curious if you think that abuse never happened in any of those times and places? That seems to be the gist of your post. I’m not taking a side on the issue, but your logic seems flawed.
Homosexuality is not a trait when you are BORN. It is not present.
Homosexuality is a result of ABUSE; either emotional or physical. It's like a bad tasting family recipe that keeps circulating in the family. It is also an acquired behavior in other environments such as prison. Many black men are bisexual. They go in there as heterosexual but due to lack of self control, dabble with homosexual sex. When they are released they go back to their girl friends but some learned to enjoy sex with other males and continue to pursue it. Eventually they pick up aids and bring it home to their wife or girl friend. It's an ugly secret they don't want you to know.
When someone has the CORRECT emotional upbringing they will not be homosexuals. When boys are encouraged to be BOYS; they will be BOYS. When boys are encouraged to be GIRLS; this will help make them effeminate and making them a tempting morsel for a homosexual as they are rejected by males that are not effeminate.
Much has to do with upbringing and encouraging the proper ROLE of each gender. No one, is predisposed to same sex attraction. Admiring someone and looking up to someone is not SEXUAL ATTRACTION. Stupid adults often mistake that for homosexuality and actually ENCOURAGE homosexuality.
You may be happy sitting on the fence trying to please everyone with nonsense, but I won't be sitting next to you. There is nothing NORMAL about homosexuality and no one is born a homosexual. In summary, ABUSE evolves in many ways, physical, emotional, environment and eventually it will take its toll on a person.
I’d also be interested to see if there are any studies regarding the effects of bullying or being labeled as effeminate (for guys) by others. Boys who aren’t athletic, for instance, could have a rough time identifying themselves as male/manly in the face of constant ridicule and speculation. It might be easier psychologically to just give up and be what everybody says you are.
I see stuff going on in my kids’ school and I really feel for the kids who are “different” in non-sexual ways and it gets sexualized in the attitudes surrounding them.
Precisely - which is the main reason I’m not sure what course I will take if “don’t ask, don’t tell” is repealed. Can I continue to serve in an organization that forces me to recognize as true something which is clearly not true?
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I don’t know any personally, that I know of, but why do you think it’s clear? Wouldn’t you have to have an awful lot of data, going back centuries, for it to be clearly a case of traumatic abuse?
They're probably lying. I have known/met many, many homosexuals...male/female over the years. Each of them had a "story" to tell.
While I totally agree that in some cases this is absolutely correct, there are many people who were not/have not been abused and still are homosexual.
To simply say that being gay is a choice is extremely ignorant. If this were true, then you being hetero is also a choice right? And if you being hetero is a choice, then this would mean that you like both sexes, could have sex with either sex, but PREFER the opposite sex.
When I ask someone “straight” who says being gay is a “choice”, I would often reply, “To act on it is a choice. But attracted to it is not.”
In fact many men in the Priesthood who are gay, promise not to act on it due to their faith. However, personally that is like expecting a dog not to wag his tail when he sees his owner come home. Nuns often are better at not acting on their desire than priests.
But most people who are gay are born this way just as many people who are born “straight”. No straight person would say he simply chooses the opposite. They can’t help their desire for the opposite, it is this strong. The same can be stated for the homosexual. However, the former is the normal around 90% and the latter is demonized and around 10%. Of course, they have trouble admitting to being different.
And if it really is just a “choice” why on earth would all these gay people CHOOSE condemnation?? I mean, think about it...IF you liked the opposite sex as well, would you not want to FIT IN with society.
Another thing...
I guess all these “gay” animals from birds to our dogs have been sexually abused in their baby stages. You know there are a heck of a lot of same sex pairing in the animal kingdom.
And don’t pretend we are not from the animal kingdom because we are. We just are too full of ourselves to think otherwise.
Another conclusion that didn’t need a study.
...some of these people appear to have some kind of hormonal imbalance that makes them act effeminate and therefore easy to spot.
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Have you not also encountered heterosexual men who acted effeminate and heterosexual women who seeme masculine? I have.
Probably
Not if as for most circumstances because homosexual behavior is frowned upon by most societies they may not be open about it and reproducing in higher numbers than you think. We simply don't know or have enough data. Political correctness has made research in this area a third rail for researchers and the fact is we have few clues on the subject.
I anticipate that this is very important:
Sexual orientation and its basis in brain structure and function
Current evidence indicates that sexual differentiation of the human brain occurs during fetal and neonatal development and programs our gender identity—our feeling of being male or female and our sexual orientation as hetero-, homo-, or bisexual. This sexual differentiation process is accompanied by many structural and functional brain differences among these groups (1). In previous studies (2, 3), the Savic laboratory detected a sex-differentiated activation of the anterior hypothalamus in heterosexual men (HeM) and heterosexual women (HeW) and a sex-atypical, almost reversed, pattern of activation in homosexual men (HoM) and homosexual women (HoW). The hypothalamus (Fig. 1) is a small brain area located under the anterior commissure that is involved in many different functions, including reproduction.
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/30/10273.full
Now, in 1969, the APA decided to reclassify homosexuality and declare that it was not a mental illness. If effect, people are "born that way".
Personally, I'd like to see centuries of genetic studies that prove that people are "born that way" -- but no such studies exist. At all. No genetic trace has ever been verified.
So, we are back with the age old concept that homosexuals are "messed up people". Until somone comes up with compelling proof that this is not the case, I won't consider homosexuals to be either normal or "born that way".
fact is we have no clue as to why or where etc... Once in a while we get studies that give us a clue and then are suppressed by the establishment. Research into homosexuality has become a third rail in science and there is no funding for it by most governments.
So has abuse and exploitation of children, duh. Homosexuality is a disordered response to trauma, Stockholm syndrome, adopt the worldview and persona of the powerful abuser in order to insulate and encapsulate the trauma. The prey becomes the predator. Story as old as time.
Add in an inattentive father, the two I know had both.
I'm sure abuse has happened throughout the ages. I don't think childhood abuse is the root cause of homosexuality in the majority of instances. As another poster said to me Boys who are morphologically effeminate are physically assaulted and impressed into homosexuality by other men trying to show their physical dominance . The key point within his own argument is Boys who are morphologically effeminate admitting that some boys are born with effeminate tendencies. I personally believe that some homosexuality is a personal choice and other is genetics.
I am OK with either form as long as it is not rubbed in my face or causes me to lose my rights. I also don't believe the Government has any business in marriage including giving rights to those folks who are "married". Marriage is a sacrament of the church and as such should not be regulated or sanctioned by the Government. If any citizen has the right then all citizens should have the right to a civil union which should be regulated and sanctioned by the state governments. Civil unions should have no bearing on the religious bonding which is marriage.
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