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Obama Moves away from 'Freedom of Religion' toward 'Freedom of Worship'?
Catholic Online ^ | June 18, 2010 | Randy Sly

Posted on 07/18/2010 5:21:46 PM PDT by upchuck

Since the initially strong language on religious freedom used in President Obama's Cairo speech, presidential references to religious freedom have become rare, often replaced, at most, with references to freedom of worship. A purposeful change in language could mean a much narrower view of the right to religious freedom. As Catholics, this is an area where we must remain vigilant. These small changes can be used to change our perception of rights and freedoms.

The change in language was barely noticeable to the average citizen but political observers are raising red flags at the use of a new term "freedom of worship" by President Obama and Secretary Clinton as a replacement for the term freedom of religion. This shift happened between the President's speech in Cairo where he showcased America's freedom of religion and his appearance in November at a memorial for the victims of Fort Hood, where he specifically used the term "freedom of worship." From that point on, it has become the term of choice for the president and Clinton.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: freedomofreligion; freedomofworship; july; moralabsolutes
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1 posted on 07/18/2010 5:21:49 PM PDT by upchuck
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To: NYer; Coleus; narses; Salvation; Pyro7480

Catholic ping.


2 posted on 07/18/2010 5:23:13 PM PDT by upchuck (Our margin of victory this November MUST BE greater than their margin of fraud.)
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To: upchuck

Most religions will be outlawed — but we will all be free to worship Allah.


3 posted on 07/18/2010 5:24:34 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: upchuck

I’ll bet he means freedom to worship him .


4 posted on 07/18/2010 5:25:52 PM PDT by deputytess (Men of the West .....stand and FIGHT!)
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To: deputytess
I’ll bet he means freedom to worship him

Yeah. It's a long line and he's at the front.

5 posted on 07/18/2010 5:29:20 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Argue from the Constitution: Initialpoints.net)
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To: upchuck

Marxist goal....change the language—it all depends what the meaning of is, it.... Ya, right, Bill!

This part explains why it is important and why Twain and Classical literature is forbidden in public schools......

It is absolutely true!!!!!

“Mark Twain used to say, “The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter - it’s the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning.”

As Catholics, this is an area where we must remain vigilant. These small changes can be used to change our perception of rights and freedoms. In retrosprect, the past hundred years gives us a number of significant issues in which this has already happened to one degree or another. Abortion, contraception, marriage, the family, and gender have all been re-engineered to fashion a new worldview.

What may seem an innocent shift in language now could possibly end up as a “tipping point” for our religious freedom. Make no mistake; this is the goal and desire of the many inside and outside our current administration.”


6 posted on 07/18/2010 5:30:51 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: upchuck

I would really like to dismiss this as mere semantics. After all how much difference is there between “Freedom of Religion” and “Freedom of Worship”? The problem of course is that if was not an ulterior there would be no point in changing a phrase that has had deep meaning to Americans for 223 years.


7 posted on 07/18/2010 5:31:09 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: upchuck

“freedom of religion” implies you have a choice of which religion


8 posted on 07/18/2010 5:35:36 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: savagesusie

Blur the lines.

Then fade out our faith in God.

For the good of all men. /sarc


9 posted on 07/18/2010 5:35:58 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: Artemis Webb

FYI Hitler allowed worship, but did not allow religion.


10 posted on 07/18/2010 5:39:30 PM PDT by justsaynomore (The Hermanator - www.hermancain.com)
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To: justsaynomore
What are you talking about?

Of course Hitler allowed religion.

11 posted on 07/18/2010 5:47:12 PM PDT by Salman
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To: upchuck

I agree that Obama is playing some kind of insidious word game, whose true purpose is known only to his radical collective. But that does not mean that it cannot be neutralized.

In this case, since he is being crafty, his own craftiness can be turned against him, with an equally contrived interpretation of his meaning.

’ “Freedom of worship” means that Obama condemns heretical sects of Islam, like the Shiite faith, and Sufi mysticism. This makes sense, because Obama was of the Sunni religion.’

Imagine how that would make Robert Gibbs squirm.


12 posted on 07/18/2010 5:48:44 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Worship confines religion to the church/temple etc.

Permitting freedom to worship would only allow you to attend the services of your choice.

It would ban public display of religious faith, public expression of religious faith, or conscience exemptions wrt to faith.

Basically, putting your religion in the closet.


13 posted on 07/18/2010 5:52:35 PM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: upchuck; NYer

Not just Catholics but all Christians need to be concerned about this. If you can worship as you chooose, privately in your church, but you can’t say in public, “I believe homosexuality is wrong; this is a tenet of my religion,” then you are (as it were) scr3wed.

Or if you were to say, “My religion teaches that all people are equal before God, and therefore we should treat all people the same, irrespective of their race,” then you are (as it were) scr3wed.


14 posted on 07/18/2010 5:55:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I hate other cultures. Everyone is rude and they never wash or use deodorant."~Anoreth)
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To: savagesusie; Artemis Webb
Absolutely. As for religion, that implies an entire system, including its moral values, open and in the public square; worship is something you can do in the catecombs.
15 posted on 07/18/2010 5:55:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: Salman

Well, he fired all the heads of various churches and installed pro-Nazi men.


16 posted on 07/18/2010 5:59:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Tax-chick

I will ping this out tomorrow or tonight.


17 posted on 07/18/2010 6:00:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

This is a very threatening development.


18 posted on 07/18/2010 6:09:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I hate other cultures. Everyone is rude and they never wash or use deodorant."~Anoreth)
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To: little jeremiah
I didn't say Hitler allowed freedom of religion.

He allowed religion.

In that era, Stalin allowed religion a little bit too.

19 posted on 07/18/2010 6:21:00 PM PDT by Salman
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To: ClearCase_guy
" Most religions will be outlawed — but we will all be free to worship Allah. "

Perhaps he is going to set up a image of himself for people to worship, this maybe is what he meant as " Freedom to worship him "


Daniel 3 (King James Version)
Daniel 3

1. Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.

2. Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

3. Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

4. Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages,

5. That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:

6And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

7. Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

8. Wherefore at that time certain Chaldeans came near, and accused the Jews.

9. They spake and said to the king Nebuchadnezzar, O king, live for ever.

10. Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:

11. And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
20 posted on 07/18/2010 6:25:21 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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