Posted on 05/04/2010 6:32:39 AM PDT by Retired Intelligence Officer
OK I give up you win.
“Natural Born” means just that somebody was born here, even if they are children of illegal immigrants, foreign ambassadors, or spies...
“’Natural Born’ means just that somebody was born here, even if they are children of illegal immigrants, foreign ambassadors, or spies...”
No, the offspring of ambassadors wouldn’t be “subject to the jurisdiction” of U.S. law, and therefore wouldn’t be citizens. But of course you already knew that. As for spies, if they weren’t here under cover of diplomacy, they’d have citizen children. That is, if they were good spies and didn’t get caught.
That chart is silly, make-believe bullcrud.
Is this a joke? California is a slum and most of its slumminess occurred under his occupation.
Elaborate specifically.
“Elaborate specifically”
You and I and everyone we know knows that if SCOTUS were to rule on whether native born citizens were also natural born citizens (with or without two citizen parents), they’d rule in the affirmative. Not that SCOTUS is always right, but in this case the vast majority of experts and laymen alike would agree. Natural born citizen means to the civilized world citizen from birth. That’s all.
Hmmm.........So why did the founders use two types of Citizens in Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5?
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Someone who wants it so badly is the very one who shouldn’t be President. Look at the mess Schwartzy has made of Caw-lee-for-nee-ya.
Good grief.
Ark was not a natural born citizen, the Court was not asked to conclude as to such status, and would not have.
SCOTUS has defined this term in Shanks, Minor, Elg, Ark, and each time it’s parents who are citizens (plural).
Further Vattel notes that:
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”
It’s very clear what the intent of, and what the actual requirement is.....why do we keep pretending?
Birthers like to pretend there's a difference between native born and natural born. There isn't, not as far as citizenship is defined in law. If you're born here, you can be President. If you're naturalized, you can't. It's that simple.
Obama’s father was NOT an American citizen. Thus, Obama is ineligible to serve as President regardless if he was born in Kenya or those 2 hospitals he claims in Hawaii. And while we are on the subject, he was born in Kenya.
Not true!!
I'm not going to debate it. Take it up with the courts. Until they say otherwise, precedent is being set with each day Obama is in office.
You mean to tell me that anchor babys born to illegal mexicans here in the USA for example can grow up and be president someday?
Wow, what is this a**hat smoking? Constitution still is law of the land and even if this pr*** was a natural born citizen I wouldn’t vote for him.
I’ll bet he does. He wants to screw up the federal government just like he’s done to California’s government.
The idiot can’t be trusted - he’s married to a Kennedy. That is like having political herpes.
Not "citizen from birth" from two citizen-parents?
-PJ
“If you’re born here, you can be President. “
Says who?
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