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McCain Proposes Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Citizens (MCCAIN ASSAULTS THE CONSTITUTION)
The New American ^ | 2010-04-18 | Thomas R. Eddlem

Posted on 04/18/2010 7:09:37 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) has introduced a bill that would allow the President to imprison an unlimited number of American citizens (as well as foreigners) indefinitely without trial. Known as The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081, the bill authorizes the President to deny a detainee a trial by jury simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”

The bill, which has eight cosponsors, explicitly names U.S. citizens as among those who can be detained indefinitely without trial:

An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent ... may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities. [Emphasis added.]

Note that the Bush administration once said that the so-called “war on terror” would last a generation or more, and the U.S. military has officially classified many former Guantanamo detainees, such as England's Tipton Three, as having “returned to the battlefield” for merely granting an interview for the movie The Road to Guantanamo. Another five innocent Uighur (Ethnic Turkish Muslims from China) detainees had been listed as having “returned to the battlefield” after their release because their lawyer had written an op-ed protesting their prolonged detention without trial after they had been mistakenly picked up by a greedy bounty hunter. Writing an opinion or speaking an opinion against the party in power in Washington can — and already has — made some people “enemy belligerents.”

The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires that “No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law,” and the Sixth Amendment stipulates the due process of law that all are required to receive:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

The requirement for a jury trial has no exceptions for military reasons, and doesn't even exempt foreigners. It simply employs the phrase “all criminal prosecutions,” words that unequivocally apply to the military and civilian justice systems, as well as to both citizens and foreigners. The Founding Fathers truly applied Christ's command to “Do to others whatever you would have them do to you,” but John McCain's new bill wouldn't even do to American citizens what we would assume were basic rights. There is no greater tyranny than indefinite imprisonment at the whim of an executive without legal recourse, and that is precisely what McCain and eight other senators would impose upon America.

McCain defended his bill in a speech on the Senate floor March 4, stating:

The legislation would authorize detention of enemy belligerents without criminal charges for the duration of the hostilities consistent with standards under the law of war which have been recognized by the Supreme Court. Importantly, if a decision is made to hold a criminal trial after the necessary intelligence information is obtained, the bill mandates trial by military commission where we are best able to protect U.S. national security interests, including sensitive classified sources and methods, as well as the place and the people involved in the trial itself.

In other words, the right to trial by jury guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution would no longer be a right. The bill would mandate “military commissions” rather than a jury trial, if and when the President deems to hold a “trial.” Under McCain's legislation, trial by jury wouldn't just be a privilege that the President could withdraw at a whim, the President would be required to deny jury trials. The right to trial by jury would be denied entirely! Of course, any American could be held for decades without trial or even being charged with a crime under McCain's bill.

Cosponsors of the bill include Democrat/independent Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and Republicans Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, David Vitter of Louisiana, George LeMieux of Florida, and Roger Wicker of Mississippi. Those cosponsoring this outright attack on the Bill of Rights are those same Republican neo-conservatives who have dominated the GOP for the last decade or more. Conservative constitutionalists need to reassert control of the Republican Party and purge this cancer from the party and the U.S. Senate, if they wish to retain their freedoms.


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To: exit82
It's late, I'm heading to bed. If I see this in some reputable place, I'll read aboout it and so will you.

Ping me if you find a decent conservative place that posts it and I'll consider it. In the meantime, if I were you I'd have a little skepticism considering where it's from and who posted it.

141 posted on 04/18/2010 9:38:29 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark; exit82
It's late, I'm heading to bed.

You coward.

142 posted on 04/18/2010 9:39:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Texas Fossil

SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.
In this Act:
(1) ACT OF TERRORISM- The term `act of terrorism’ means an act of terrorism as that term is defined in section 101(16) of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 101(16)).

http://vlex.com/source/us-code-domestic-security-1005

(4) The term “critical infrastructure” has the meaning given that term in section 5195c(e) of title 42.
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/usc_sec_42_00005195-—c000-.html
TITLE 42 > CHAPTER 68 > SUBCHAPTER IV-B > § 5195c
§ 5195c. Critical infrastructures protection

(e) Critical infrastructure defined
In this section, the term “critical infrastructure” means systems and assets, whether physical or virtual, so vital to the United States that the incapacity or destruction of such systems and assets would have a debilitating impact on security, national economic security, national public health or safety, or any combination of those matters.

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(9) The term “key resources” means publicly or privately controlled resources essential to the minimal operations of the economy and government.

(15) The term “terrorism” means any activity that - (A) involves an act that - (i) is dangerous to human life or potentially destructive of critical infrastructure or key resources; and (ii) is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State or other subdivision of the United States; and (B) appears to be intended - (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping. (16)(A) The term “United States”, when used in a geographic sense, means any State of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, any possession of the United States, and any waters within the jurisdiction of the United States.

Poster’s note: I already see a problem here, since the definition of terrorism is not found in ARTICLE 519c 101(16), but rather 101(15)!

However, notice the clause in SEC 6 (15)A(i)
“…is dangerous to human life or potentially destructive of critical infrastructure or key resources;”

“Dangerous to” or “potentially destructive” of what “key resource”?

The term “key resources” means publicly or privately controlled resources essential to the minimal operations of the economy and government.

Therefore, anything defined (by whom) as “dangerous to human life” or “potentially destructive of” a publicly or privately controlled resource (perhaps the internet?), deemed (by whom) essential to the operations of the economy and government, might constitute a threat. Could an American citizen’s public protest, dissent, or blogging or denunciation of a government official or policy be considered “dangerous to” or “potentially destructive” to the minimal operations of the economy and government?

It gets worse under subsection (B)...

(B) appears to be intended - (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion;

Goodbye TEA party protests, marches on Washington DC, or any other form of active dissent against the government!

Back to the Bill in question...

SEC. 3. INTERROGATION AND DETERMINATION OF STATUS OF SUSPECTED UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
(d) Regulations-
(1) IN GENERAL- The operations and activities of high-value detainee interrogation groups under this section shall be governed by such regulations and guidance as the President shall establish for purposes of implementing this section. The regulations shall specify the officer or officers of the Executive Branch responsible for determining whether an individual placed in military custody under section 2 meets the criteria for treatment as a high-value detainee for purposes of interrogation and determination of status by a high-value interrogation group under this section.

Poster’s note: “…shall be governed by such regulations and guidance as the President shall establish…” Considering certain definitions, this statement is troubling.

(2) CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION OF INDIVIDUALS AS HIGH-VALUE DETAINEES- The regulations required by this subsection shall include criteria for designating an individual as a high-value detainee based on the following:

(A) The potential threat the individual poses for an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the United States or upon United States citizens or United States civilian facilities abroad at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.

Posters note: Potential threat an individual poses? Who determines this, and based on what criteria? (This is especially true in light of the DHS memorandum about “potential domestic threats.”)

(B) The potential threat the individual poses to United States military personnel or United States military facilities at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.

(C) The potential intelligence value of the individual.

Poster’s note: Oh this clause is ripe for abuse!

(D) Membership in al Qaeda or in a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda.

(E) Such other matters as the President considers appropriate.

Poster’s note: Under (E) any protections assumed by the definitions and stipulations made in this section become null.


143 posted on 04/18/2010 9:40:23 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: rabscuttle385

Read it earlier.
Your agenda is one of a naive kid who has not faced life.
Textbooks and theory without facing the real world
does not make a person a good judge of what you think
should be.

Anyone who supports fighting the enemy, the IslamOfascists in this war is your enemy.


144 posted on 04/18/2010 9:41:11 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: sabe@q.com
Idiots.

Remember November
145 posted on 04/18/2010 9:41:27 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: SoCalPol
Your agenda is one of a naive kid who has not faced life. Textbooks and theory without facing the real world does not make a person a good judge of what you think should be.

And you have nothing to say (likely because you agree with McCain) except to attack the messenger.

Sad.

146 posted on 04/18/2010 9:44:07 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385; AuntB

I’d be careful with the Birchers interpretation of this.


147 posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:12 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Lakeshark

Nevermind JBS... Considering the individual now occupying the Office of the Presidency, and the tone established by the Department of Homeland Security (and the Patriot Act) ... What does it say about YOU, sir, that you deride the legitimate discussion of an issue most critical to our continued liberties, even after the ACTUAL BILL has been posted for our review? Are deaf, blind and dumb, or just a contentious pain in the ass?


148 posted on 04/18/2010 9:51:35 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: exit82

Always remember this:

The Devil has his hour... BUT God has His DAY!


149 posted on 04/18/2010 9:52:56 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: rabscuttle385

OK Sarah...enough is enough!

You need to cut the ties with A$$ Hole immediately! You owe him nothing more!


150 posted on 04/18/2010 9:59:35 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m sure his good buddy, Sean Hannity will have him on for a glowing interview, while completely ignoring this topic.

Sean is beyond useless at times when it comes to his RINO buddies: McLame, Newt, Huckebee, and Romney!


151 posted on 04/18/2010 10:01:52 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Lakeshark

What’s the matter, Landshark? (Appropriate name, considering your tactics) Afraid to get your clock cleaned in a legitimate debate of the SUBJECT, as sourced from a CONGRESSIONAL WEBSITE? You, sir, are a “hit and run” coward.


152 posted on 04/18/2010 10:04:43 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: rabscuttle385

WTF?

McLame must go!


153 posted on 04/18/2010 10:07:23 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: donna; rabscuttle385

Let's just get S.P. into the White House and she can lock up Rahm Emmanuel and Axelrod and Plouffe.

And Ayers and Plame and Michael Moore and Norm Mineta and David Brooks and ...

/sarc> Cheers!

154 posted on 04/18/2010 10:07:33 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.http://www.free)
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To: wafflehouse

bookmark


155 posted on 04/18/2010 10:10:24 PM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: nagdt
Given that this bill, and those who entertain it's intention to bring it to fruition, trashes totally the 5th and 6th amendments, what could possibly lead you to believe they'd respect exercise of the First, let alone the Second?

CA....

156 posted on 04/18/2010 10:18:05 PM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! Seems I've found that silly grin again!)
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To: Lakeshark

Yeah, you’re missing that this article is from the John Birch Society tinfoil hat brigade.

***********************

See! That’s why I need you guys!


157 posted on 04/18/2010 10:18:28 PM PDT by ROTB (Without a Christian revival, we are government slaves, or attacked from outside during armed revolt.)
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158 posted on 04/18/2010 10:23:55 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: TCH

I am no lawyer and certainly not connected with Homeland Security, but it is a Very Vague piece of legislation.

It is the camel’s nose under the tent. Obozo would/could/will drive a bulldozer through it as it reads.

MY concern is that not only the Traitor Dems but some Republicans have “literally” sold us out and intend to supress the population. I consider that a serious mistake on their part.

I doubt that Sessions & Inhofe are party, but McCain is known to support the enemy. Out of ignorance or intent, I am not sure. But his judgement is poor in how he deals with those who wish to destroy the US. They are many, but we are Many++.


159 posted on 04/18/2010 10:35:04 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: gidget7; onyx

Who cares what the original source is if the actual bill is quoted correctly, the article points to that text, and the bill, in fact, has the very concern the article mentions?

Get real!


160 posted on 04/18/2010 10:35:52 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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