Army Calls ‘Birther’ Doc’s Bluff

Military.com ^ | April 9, 2010 | Bryant Jordan

[EveningStar]

It's guts ball time for an Army surgeon who has vowed not to deploy to Afghanistan with his unit unless President Obama provides evidence that he's a "natural born" citizen of the United States.

In response to previously published statements by Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, the Army presented an official letter of counseling that directs him to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., on April 12 to begin deployment preparations with his unit.

[Red Steel]

I don't however, believe DOH has even remotely confirmed a forgey,

They never even confirmed it remotely as a forgery huh?

In a rare moment of clarity or a little truthfulness, the DoH spokesman Janice Okubo said,

“I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents”

when she spoke about Obama's COLB on the Web.

[Spaulding]

I know this is from someone who knows more than I, and am flattered to provide a reference:

This remarkable fact was uncovered by Sharon Rondeau writing in the Post and Email, a blog about which I was initially cautious. Hughes was an impressive man, appointed associate justice in 1910 by William Howard Taft, he resigned to run for president in 1916. Here is a bit of the Rondeau article:

“During his presidential campaign, Hughes’s eligibility for the presidency was questioned because his father remained a British citizen. Breckenridge Long, an attorney and graduate of Washington University Law School who later served as Secretary of State as well as U.S. ambassador to Italy under FDR, examined the issue in an article entitled “Is Mr. Charles Evans Hughes a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ within the Meaning of the Constitution?” Published in the “Chicago Legal News,” Vol. 146, p. 220 in 1916, the article begins:

Whether Mr. Hughes is, or is not, a “natural born” citizen within the meaning of the Constitution, so as to make him eligible, or ineligible, to assume the office of President, presents an interesting inquiry.

He was born in this country and is beyond question “native born.” But is there not a distinction “native born” and “natural born”? At the time he was born his father and mother were subjects of England. His father had not then been naturalized.”

Here is the URL for the entire article, including the pointer to the Breckenridge Long article.

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/05/obama-not-the-first-to-have-presidential-eligibility-questioned/

As an aside, it is sad to see trolls dominating Internet discussions, preventing those who can help educate the public from being heard. The major media figures have been silenced, perhaps by threats involving the penalties for incitement, since violence will probably be employed by the left when the threat of exposure becomes great enough. Some of us have seen most of the polemical arguments, but when an issue such as Dr. Lakin, involving eligibility arises the wave of birth certificate responses hits first, suggesting very active monitoring of this site. Then, because of the integrity of the FR owner, measured responses begin to come. To anyone who is interested in the facts, look for succinct citations. Read the Apuzzo blog. Read The Post and Email, or Undeadrevolution.wordpress.com.

Sites without clear management, like Greta Van Sustern’s blog, have been destroyed by name calling, and by design. This is about our Constitution and, while the administrators tolerate trolls who simply interrupt serious examination, it has taken me a while to see the extent to which it dilutes discussion here, still a relative sanctuary for freedom of speech.

[Red Steel]

The quality of your argument speaks for itself.

When your argument is full of holes it fits.

[STARWISE]

Yes .. she did. SARAH P. HERLIHY AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE SARAH P. HERLIHY∗ http://aconservativeedge.com/2009/01/23/wikipedia-cabal-assails-natural-born-clause-in-constitution-for-the-obama-nation/

[tired_old_conservative]

“In a rare moment of clarity or a little truthfulness, the DoH spokesman Janice Okubo said,

“I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents””

She's simply making the common sense and correct observation that no one can state that an Internet image alone is valid or not. That indicates a sense of professionalism that con men like Polarik completely lack. Her other comments indicating that Obama was born in Hawaii are clear enough to anyone who wants to read them with an unbiased eye.

[BP2]

An officer refusing to obey GWB in 2001 would have
been full of crap. So is this one.

Perhaps in 2001, but as our good FRiend Non-Sequitur has pointed out, the cases of Army soldiers Michael New and Ehren Watada seem to indicate government is rather WEAK in the end on soldiers who disobey orders.

Most FReepers would be STAUNCHLY against seeing an American soldier wearing a United Nations beret, like these Italian soldiers below:

And yet, that's exactly what home-schooled Army medic Michael New of Conroe, Texas, refused to do in 1995. His case is in legal limbo last I heard. I personally support his action — he enlisted to defend the US, not the UN — and I think the VAST MAJORITY of FReepers would concur with this concept!

Conversely, 1st Lt Ehren Watada of Honolulu refused to follow Bush's orders in 2006 because he felt the war in Iraq was illegal and that, under the doctrine of command responsibility, would make Watada a “party to war crimes.”

I do NOT support his beliefs on this issue. But that does not matter anyway ... as Obama told Eric Holder's Justice Department to ask the 9th Circuit Court to DROP Watada’s case in May 2009.

Does 1st Lt Watada’s case — and Obama's subsequent dismissal of his case — potentially set precedence that could have bearing on Lt Col Lakin’s case? Yes, I think it may.

It seems from the Watada case dismissal that Obama is QUITE OKAY with Army officers who disobey orders to which they have OBJECTIONS, regardless of which President has issued those orders.

[Safrguns]

>>> An officer refusing to obey GWB in 2001 would have been full of crap. So is this one.

An officer demanding proof of GWB’s eligibility would have got it.

[STARWISE]

The SCOTUS and the lower courts have shown ZERO interest in this ‘case’. They have not, nor will they, touch it.

~~~

Uhh .. check around.

[Safrguns]

>>> The SCOTUS and the lower courts have shown ZERO interest in this ‘case’. They have not, nor will they, touch it.

That’s because not enough people have died yet because of him

[Red Steel]

She's simply making the common sense and correct observation that no one can state that an Internet image alone is valid or not.

The operative word you used was "remotely," and she did make the correct call there but the moonbat Okubo let herself get used in other public statements that contradicts this one.

Furthermore CON, Obama lawyer(s) have cited that Internet image as a genuine document as to have noted a hyperlink to it in their court briefs, but have not given an authentic copy of Obama's COLB to any court of law. Why is that - CON? Because that thing is a forgery.

[parsifal]

Thanks. It was the Woodrow Wilson thing that threw me.

Honesty and candor requires me to inform you that I am somebody who, because of his superior logic and argumentative skills, has been called a “troll” quite frequently on the birther threads, to the point where JR told me to shut up or get zotted. So, since I’ve been here nearly 12 years, I pretty much shut up. Occasionally I pop off, but not much.

On the issues of “trolls”, I am somewhat sensitive, because I feel I have been unjustly accused of a crime that I didn’t commit. I am looking around for a screenwriter to do a television series, like BRANDED, or maybe THE FUGITIVE. I kind of like BRANDED, because the theme music is kewler.

Branded, scorned as a OBOT Mole-doo doo doo dooooo.
What do you do when you’re branded?
And they call you a TROLL....

So far, no one is interested.

However, I have written a poem, which should apply to those unjustly accused of being Trolls, whoever and wherever they might be:

The Troll Poem
by parsifal

If you don’t agree with ME,
You surely are a TROLL, you see.
It all works out so LOGICKLY,
YOU are a Troll, if WE don’t agree.

And if you disagree with ME,
I’ll tell the MODS, just wait and see!
That’s how I’ll WIN my victory.
By TANTRUMS from my nursery.

I’ll save the MENTAL energy
Defending MY absurdity,
From ANY who might disagree
By crying “TROLL” quite frequently.

I have no sense of DECENCY.
It’s all about my VANITY.
The Center of the Universe is ME!
And you’re a TROLL if you don’t agree!

Optional T.S.Eliot type ending, for high class web sites:

This is how the argument ends...
This is how the argument ends...
This is how the argument ends...
Not with a bang. . .but a Simper.

parsy, who thanks you for the info

[pissant]

Evening Star is an Obama knobshine.

[BP2]

Was it FDR or was it Teddy Roosevelt?

parsy, who isn’t sure

Come on, parsi ... your memory is failing you a lot lately.

Where was it that you enjoyed that ribeye with the JimRob?

Fleming's, Ruth's Chris, or Joe's Steak House?

[Red Steel]

LoL! Parsi cannot resist herself being back on these threads.

[parsifal]

None of the above. I would have preferred a Ruth’s. I used to do some work for one of them.

parsy

[edge919]

The operative word you used was "remotely," and she did make the correct call there but the moonbat Okubo let herself get used in other public statements that contradicts this one.

Spokesbabe Okubo revealed herself as a total ditz when she originally confirmed the COLB because she said it looked like her own. You'd think the HI DOH would have a formal procedure for authenticating official documents. "It looks like mine" isn't exactly what you expect from a document expert or state official. I wouldn't be surprised if she has a purseful of counterfeit money that she's unwittingly passing around.

[Red Steel]

Right. The Hawaiian DoH cannot be trusted.

[Spaulding]

Yes STARWISE, Herlihy is or was a young associate at Kirkland and Ellis, but she worked for McCain Justice Advisory Committee council Christopher Landau - Partner, Kirkland & Ellis LLP. Other senior partners worked on the Obama election board. Does it prove anything? If we were in the intelligence business, this is very relevant. Kirkland and Ellis will say it is simply what lawyers do. The same law firm was advising two presidential candidates neither of whom met the constitutional requirements for natural born citizenship. That law firm, Kirkland and Ellis, sponsored a Chicago Kent Law Review article attacking the definition of natural born citizenship. There is certainly "smoke." Our framers, using principles cited for centuries as part of the doctrine called "natural law", or "law of nations" sought to protect us by requiring assurance of allegiance in the form of Article II Section 1 natural born citizenship. (I know you know that very well; the comment was for those who have been too busy surviving to appreciate the nature of the deception, indeed, the crime, being perpitrated on our nation.)

For anyone who looked at the pointer I provided to the Sharon Rondeau article, the Breckenridge Long article in the Chicago newspaper has been removed from Scribd within the past few hours. It may have been by legal challenge to Scribd. We will probably never know. Scribd uses or used Google servers, but was not a Google corporation last time I complained about material being removed. This is a war on the 1st Amendment which the communists will win unless we stop them. If we don't, no article or amendment to The Constitution will mean anything. The Internet is the last global communications forum now that the major media have been co-opted, and even Fox News has major Saudi ownership. They cannot shut us down yet, but propagandists are very active on our open discussion sites.

[edge919]

The later language in United States vs, Wong Kim Ark is far more explicit and can only be read to conclude that a historical and legal basis for considering children born here to be NBCs exists.

Not really. WKA cites Minor in saying, "...all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners." IOW, this is a universal principle for naturally recognizing citizens. Anything outside of this definition is no longer natural, because you have to have some sort of statutory construction to allow others to be citizens at birth. That's why WKA made a point about the parents being permanent residents ... to show that they had more than temporary allegiance to the United States. Such is not so with the child of a visiting scholar.

That basis was explicitly cited by an actual court last year to conclude that Obama was an NBC.

The court you're thinking of intentionally avoided saying that Obama is an NBC. They also contradicted their own argument by admitting that WKA did not pronounce its plaintiff to be an NBC. They claimed WKA gave them guidance, even though that decision didn't come up with the result they wanted to claim. They didn't connect the dots.

[edge919]

In Okubo’s case, she’s simply incompetent. I’m surprised she still works there.