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1 posted on 04/09/2010 3:05:56 PM PDT by SmartInsight
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Earlier articles did not mention any of this:

Russia furious over adopted boy sent back from US

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2490049/posts

Unwanted Adopted Boy Sent Back To Russia

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2489922/posts


2 posted on 04/09/2010 3:07:52 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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Might be just as they said. But no sympathy here. An adopted kid isn’t just a VCR you send to the returns dept. You do like any parent and call Child protective service,, mental health inpatient programs, etc. Just like you do with your natural child gone nuts.

I can’t just put my kid on United Airlines with a note pinned to ‘em.


3 posted on 04/09/2010 3:09:58 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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He can’t be too bad.
The plane didn’t go down in flames on the way back to Russia.


4 posted on 04/09/2010 3:12:06 PM PDT by toast
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“...Hansen said the child had a “hit list” of people he was targeting, including her daughter, who he said he “wanted to kill for the house.” He threatened to kill her grandson for a videogame, she said...”

Hey, sounds like he has some boy in him. This sounds just like typical family stuff.


5 posted on 04/09/2010 3:13:07 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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Granny did all the planning, made all the decisions, talks about her ability to parent the child, did the deed. What is really going on here? There is more to this story than meets the eye.


6 posted on 04/09/2010 3:16:12 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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No surprise that the Russians are dumping their problems on desperate people who want to adopt.


7 posted on 04/09/2010 3:16:16 PM PDT by Carley (Are you better off than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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I sympathize with em, but if i find my my kid lighting a fire in the bedroom, i have have very few good options, but there sure ain’t no return policy. Unless theres some clause in an adoption contract i don’t know about, but i’m pretty sure adoption is actually like being a regular parent. A parent, with all the good and bad that might entail.


13 posted on 04/09/2010 3:25:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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Did they not observe such ill behavior before the boy learned enough English to speak to them?


19 posted on 04/09/2010 3:52:54 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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******UPDATE:**************

Russian Boy May Return to Tennessee

http://wpln.org/?p=16469

“If it was necessary, they asked if we could use one of our foster families here in Tennessee to help take care of the little boy.”

Savely points out that Savelyev is now a citizen of the United States as well as Russia. The boy has reportedly been moved to an orphanage in Moscow and is undergoing a battery of medical exams.


22 posted on 04/09/2010 3:57:19 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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What the adoptive mother did might have been a bit extreme, but you’re under no obligation to keep someone in your home when they’ve made credible threats to your family’s lives.


24 posted on 04/09/2010 3:58:52 PM PDT by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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Adoption of orphans from Romania

http://encyclopedia.adoption.com/entry/Romanian-adoptions/316/1.html

After the repressive Ceausescu regime was overthrown in late 1989, the world became aware of thousands of children who were warehoused in Romanian orphanages. Experts estimated that between 100,000 and 300,000 children lived in these baby homes or orphanages for the school-aged or in institutions for persons considered to be “irrecuperable” (unrecoverable). Most children experienced severe emotional and physical deprivation.

The simultaneous adoptions of so many Romanian orphans provided researchers with a unique opportunity to view the impact of adoption on primarily institutionalized babies and young children. Many of the children experienced developmental delays and emotional problems, while others successfully adapted to their new families.

Most of the children were in poor physical health and significant numbers were malnourished, had infectious diseases, and nutritional, growth and developmental issues.

In addition, behavioral problems such as temper tantrums, rocking, sleep disorder problems and indiscriminate friendliness occurred.

Not all the findings were positive. Some of the children continued to experience serious behavioral problems as well as difficulty attaching to their adoptive parents.


26 posted on 04/09/2010 4:07:06 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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I don’t doubt that perhaps this child was a handful or even violent, BUT you don’t just give up on a child in that manner. If this had been her biological child, I doubt anyone would have any sympathy for her, and it is untelling what tragedy this child has seen in his homeland.

This alleged mother sent this child alone to Russia to be picked up by someone whose references she read online and is fortunate the child didn’t end up murdered! I didn’t read anywhere where the mother sought any sort of psychatric help for the child.

I understand it can be difficult, and trying, but something about this lady’s side of the story just doesn’t ring 100% true to me. She didn’t contact the agency - she found a lawyer online? She checks the driver out online? Does she not have a phone? And now her mother, not her, is defending her to CNN.

I realize not everyone sees the world the same way I do, but I just couldn’t imagine giving up on one of my dogs that I’ve rescued, much less a human child!


27 posted on 04/09/2010 4:08:45 PM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan (Let us not get bogged down in the small squabbles; Let us get caught up in the big ideas. Palin '12)
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lolololol has anyone seen “Orphan” lmao


29 posted on 04/09/2010 4:12:25 PM PDT by musicbymuzak
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This Child had Reactive attachment Disorder (RAD). These children are incapable of forming normal bonds or attachments. We had a foster daughter with this condition. She had a history of attacking siblings (With weapons), abusing animals, and threatening adults. The day before Thanksgiving she attacked my wife and then put her fist through a pane of glass to make it appear that my wife had struck her.

We were not given any of her history by the County DSS.

She was then placed with an older couple. After several months she was caught trying to sexually abuse their grand daughter. After she was removed from their house they found a Barbie doll that my mother had given the child. The doll had been mutilated by a steak knife that she had stolen from their kitchen and kept with the doll. They were never told any of her history with us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_attachment_disorder

I could go on about a child that a friend of mine adopted also from Russia that had almost identical issues.

Government and adoptive agencies have no reason to give out any of this information, there interest is in getting rid of these children before they can do harm to others in the system. Maybe that sounds jaded but that has been the experience that I and others I now and trust have had.

Sending this child packing and out of their lives was the smartest thing they could do.

33 posted on 04/09/2010 4:21:51 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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The mother did right by sending this horror back to Russia. All those who think she should have kept him to ruin and endanger her short life and her family’s short life and pay threw the nose to try and fix something that could never be fixed are crazy.

No one on this thread can tell me you haven’t returned something you bought and found when you took it home it was damaged.


35 posted on 04/09/2010 4:23:19 PM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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Sounds like the 13 y/o kid down the street from us who moved in about 4 months ago. I was outside playing basketball with a bunch of little kids when I see this kid acting like he is throwing something at the other kids. He has a folding knife, blade out, making threats. I tell him to leave; he gives me attitude so I go chat with his mommy. She tells me he hasn’t taken his anger management meds this evening. Find out later he needs those meds 3x/day.
My question: as a parent, what the @#$% are you thinking allowing a kid that requires meds 3/day to have access to a knife. (mommy said he wasn’t allowed to take it outside!)

Should be an interesting summer. Hope the street doesn’t lose a kid to this punk.


41 posted on 04/09/2010 4:30:20 PM PDT by mad puppy (Steve McIntyre, we owe you frothy cold one. Thanks.)
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How about getting him into a mental institution instead of sending him back to Russia by himself?


53 posted on 04/09/2010 4:42:38 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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One does realize that this kid will one day grow up. How would you like to deal with a surly, murderous 18-year-old?

I think the right thing was done. The criticism in which it was stated that they should have worked it out with the adoption agency is valid, but that’s the only minus with yours truly.


67 posted on 04/09/2010 4:57:06 PM PDT by OldPossum
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What is really odd is they let him on the plsne in the first place with only a note.


81 posted on 04/09/2010 5:16:13 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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I don’t blame Russia for being upset. They’re rather sensitive about all the unwanted children and Russian brides leaving for the U.S. and Western Europe. Probably we would be too if the roles were reversed.

What the American family did was not right but I’d like to know what other steps they took before such a desperate act. Adopting is not an easy process and they deserve some credit for wanting to adopt in the first place but it does involve a commitment and most are thoroughly screened so I wish I knew what it was that made this family turn against the child so quickly.


102 posted on 04/09/2010 6:02:46 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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