Posted on 04/09/2010 6:48:50 AM PDT by raptor22
So much that you need to know about the Catholic Churchs social policy problems can be summed up in one word: Chicago. On race, abortion, guns, immigration and community organizing, Catholic Church officials in the Windy City have forged unholy alliances with radical left-wingers and enablers who undermine the faithand the faithful.
Exhibit A: the Archdiocese of Chicagos Office for Racial Justice and one of its most notorious priests, the Rev. Michael Pfleger. This week, Chicago Cardinal Francis Georgewho also happens to be president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishopspresided over a gala ceremony honoring Pfleger with a lifetime achievement award for his service in pursuit of dismantling racism, injustice and inequalities on behalf of African Americans and all people of color.
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If the Catholic Church has any good to do in this world and the next, then let them do it, but we should not act shocked and dismayed at any new revelation of wrongdoing. This edifice is rotten to the core.
*Sigh*. Everything about 'fr' Pfleger is disgusting and the 'indulgent' treatment of him by Cardinal George/Chicago Archdiocese is simply incomprehensible.
However, to leap to equating this clearly dissenting behavior with the entire "Catholic Church" and justifying it as a reason to "leave" the Church strikes me as suggesting that all of the Apostles and early Christians should have just quit and left based on Judas betraying Christ.
Darn good analogy.
the Bishops absolutely took a dive on Obamacare...all you need to know to prove Michelle is right.
Just what is your religion and how old are you?
Once you've learned a thing or two about what really motivated the Crusades, you might want to move on to the Inquisition. Try Googling "the Black Legend."
So many ill informed people slandering the great Catholic Church, so little time.
Exactly. And I believe the extreme recent increase in these media-led attacks against the Pope and the Church is primarily payback to the strong stand of the US Catholic Bishops against 0bamacare: Catholic bishops send message to faithful: We oppose ObamaCare.
Very few if any new revelations. It's all a rehash of 30yrs ago. And you bring up the crusades? Get reeducated and get a life.
Count all the hospitals, universities world wide created by the Catholics. Count people like Gingrich, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts. You yourself are a partial product of Catholic teachings and and mores and don't even know if.
I can't imaging it's up to me to fix this stuff. I've called for excommunication for the perps, but were told all the quirks and reasons that won't happen. The "legalists" will come back with some 15th century writings by somebody that say I'm wrong and the Church is doing what it's supposed to do, but each day there is a new outrage that isn't being addressed. I've pointed to the splits in the Church and am told there is none. I have made the statement that the "Phleger" types are now the majority and am told, "Not in my Parish!"
I have come to the conclusion that Catholics are asleep, content with the "knowledge" that Hell will not breech some gate somewhere. Well if Hell hasn't entered the Church, I can't imagine Hell anymore. Putting band aids on gaping wounds with entrails hanging out isn't going to work much longer, I'm afraid.
The facts are, Obama got a good majority of the Catholic vote. Catholics are marching for and having abortions. Many, if not most are for homosexual marriage. Crimes are committed in the Church, and there are routine cover ups. A Catholic in San Francisco is somehow a different bird than one in Kansas or in Venezuela. I doubt if we could get general agreement with someone 500 miles away, let alone 3000 miles away. Is location a reason to read things in the Scripture that are different than Scriptures in another town? Why is Boston morals different than Texas morals?
That was a catchy retort that we should all leave because Judas betrayed Christ, but what has been done to "fix" Phleger?, Pelosi? Biden? Any of the Kennedy's? Crissy Mathews? Any homosexual priest? ( defrocking a priest AFTER being arrested and sentenced isn't the same as the Church acting BEFORE they are arrested)
There are so many issues that are just laying there festering, I can't list them all here. I don't want my money going to Colleges that support abortion or homosexual behavior. The Church could just make a small statement by refusing to allow Obama to speak on OUR campuses.
Maybe you think I'm hypersensitive, but this is all stuff happening in just the last year or so. We are completely impotent if the Church can't deal with a rouge priest like Phleger. It's past time for the Church to act on Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, et al. The "split" is staring us in the face and it will come if these "crimes" against the Church aren't addressed. It's not going to fade away, IMHO.
Also, the Catholic Church led to the earthly Christianization of Europe and beyond (Protties whose Churches broke off from the “mother” that settled in North America, for example). Crusades, see centuries of Islamic aggression before the mobility into former Christan territories. Hint, the Byzantine and the Holy Roman Empire managed to get along for a short period of time in order to defeat Islamic aggression. Unfortunately they butted heads in Constantinople and the “Islams” took advantage of the division between the two Christian Empires.
My opinion, like every bureaucracy, not a “perfect” organization controlled by men, but perfect under Christ. A serious purging is needed, but to say the Roman Catholic Church has a monopoly on molestation, sin, etc..., within is only fooling oneself.
There are bad Bishops, Cardinals, Pastors, Monsignors, Priest etc... but the percentage is minute. The cover-ups were localized within the autonomous day to day operations of particular Diocese under Bishops preventing scandal, but those idiotic Bishops were solely acting independently.
Let the Church sort it out, as well as all the other seemingly earthly Churches troubled with interior imperfections.
There are still pockets of the Catholic faith that stand true to the intentions of Christ and St. Peter....but we don't hear about them anywhere because it's 1) not newsworthy and 2) at cross purposes with those that are consciously attempting to bring the Church down.
I have been consistently disgusted with the inaction, from the Vatican on down. Words are not actions! Excommunication is! It needs to be OK’ed by the Big Guy in Rome to start “culling the herds”!
Militant
This Pfleger sounds like a giant headache.
I checked a few days ago and there are 400,000 plus priests in the RCC worldwide. Obviously the Vatican can’t pay attention to every single one. But surely Pfleger must be in the “100 worst” list.
“Incomprehensible”? Hardly. It’s a well established pattern.
Good job.
Saying some of you best friend are Catholic means absolutely nothing. Some of my immediate family members are “Catholic”, but not in practice.
You clearly know nothing about the Crusades which began as a righteous defense of the Holy Land, which became co-opted by mercenary groups (like the Templars), who ran afoul of the Pope and ended up taking matters into their own hands.
There was also more than one Crusade, but only one Church-sanctioned instance.
As for the Inquisition, this has been debunked over and over. Firstly, the target of the Inquisition was a very powerful, growing sect of Albigensians that taught that Christ had both the Father and the Devil in him. That God was both Good and Evil. ‘nuff said. They were demonically directed and the spiritual well-being of the Spanish flock was in grave danger. Secondly, the so-called mass executions were wildly, if not laughably overstated. And the executions were not carried out by the Church, but the state. Compared to the ridiculous assertions that have grown over time, the actual number of executions was a mere handful.
When did Jesus give Judas the boot? I must be missing that page, because, according to the Gospels, Judas walked out of the Last Supper by his own choice. In fact, if anyone got the boot, it was Peter. But there's Peter choosing to repent of his sins and being given the role of shepherding the flock. And then there's Judas despairing of his sin and making his own exit from the world. If Judas repented and did not hang himself, He would have been forgiven in the Upper Room and given a great reward (read: Prodigal Son).
Michelle really jumped the shark on this one. I understand the sentiments - the frustration and disappointment. But for her to say “the Church has left me”, indicates she doesn’t really understand what the Church is in theological terms.
Her remarks, unfortunately, sound typical of someone who is either nominally Catholic, or a former Catholic who hasn’t told anyone she’s a former Catholic yet.
The Catholic Church is the ark. You get on it or you don’t. If you get on it, you can’t complain that there are some smelly animals on board with you, while the deluge is destroying everything outside of it. Changes need to be made. Maybe some species need to be separated from others. But the right answer is never, ever “leave the ark”.
IF the glove fits then it is what it is.... just wait until the red religious dress gets put on the ILLEGAL invasion as grace.
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