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To: raptor22
Sorry to all you Catholics out there (some of my best friends are Catholic), but the Catholic Church was never such a wonderful institution to begin with (see the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition). Furthermore, molesting the Choir boys is a Church tradition that goes back thousands of years. There's nothing new there. It's also full of homosexuals. As for becoming a left-wing radical organization in this country, I wouldn't put it past them for a minute.

If the Catholic Church has any good to do in this world and the next, then let them do it, but we should not act shocked and dismayed at any new revelation of wrongdoing. This edifice is rotten to the core.

2 posted on 04/09/2010 7:01:15 AM PDT by Batrachian (And then Barack the First said: "Now that we have the Papacy, let us enjoy it.")
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To: Batrachian

Just what is your religion and how old are you?


6 posted on 04/09/2010 7:23:39 AM PDT by duckln
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To: Batrachian
The Crusades were a series of military campaigns against radical Islam, which had swept through formerly Christian lands in the Mideast, up through Spain to France, and in the eastern lands of Christendom. Know what Dar al-Salaam and Dar al-Harb mean? Didn't think so. Go learn some facts, read a book.

Once you've learned a thing or two about what really motivated the Crusades, you might want to move on to the Inquisition. Try Googling "the Black Legend."

So many ill informed people slandering the great Catholic Church, so little time.

8 posted on 04/09/2010 7:26:22 AM PDT by d-back
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To: Batrachian
shocked and dismayed at any new revelation of wrongdoing

Very few if any new revelations. It's all a rehash of 30yrs ago. And you bring up the crusades? Get reeducated and get a life.

Count all the hospitals, universities world wide created by the Catholics. Count people like Gingrich, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts. You yourself are a partial product of Catholic teachings and and mores and don't even know if.

10 posted on 04/09/2010 7:41:37 AM PDT by duckln
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To: Batrachian
All those whose denominations are without sin , cast the first stone. All those who don't belong to a denomination, trumpet your natural perfections, and start your stone throwing.

Also, the Catholic Church led to the earthly Christianization of Europe and beyond (Protties whose Churches broke off from the “mother” that settled in North America, for example). Crusades, see centuries of Islamic aggression before the mobility into former Christan territories. Hint, the Byzantine and the Holy Roman Empire managed to get along for a short period of time in order to defeat Islamic aggression. Unfortunately they butted heads in Constantinople and the “Islams” took advantage of the division between the two Christian Empires.

My opinion, like every bureaucracy, not a “perfect” organization controlled by men, but perfect under Christ. A serious purging is needed, but to say the Roman Catholic Church has a monopoly on molestation, sin, etc..., within is only fooling oneself.

There are bad Bishops, Cardinals, Pastors, Monsignors, Priest etc... but the percentage is minute. The cover-ups were localized within the autonomous day to day operations of particular Diocese under Bishops preventing scandal, but those idiotic Bishops were solely acting independently.

Let the Church sort it out, as well as all the other seemingly earthly Churches troubled with interior imperfections.

12 posted on 04/09/2010 8:20:30 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt p oliticians.)
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To: Batrachian

Saying some of you best friend are Catholic means absolutely nothing. Some of my immediate family members are “Catholic”, but not in practice.

You clearly know nothing about the Crusades which began as a righteous defense of the Holy Land, which became co-opted by mercenary groups (like the Templars), who ran afoul of the Pope and ended up taking matters into their own hands.
There was also more than one Crusade, but only one Church-sanctioned instance.

As for the Inquisition, this has been debunked over and over. Firstly, the target of the Inquisition was a very powerful, growing sect of Albigensians that taught that Christ had both the Father and the Devil in him. That God was both Good and Evil. ‘nuff said. They were demonically directed and the spiritual well-being of the Spanish flock was in grave danger. Secondly, the so-called mass executions were wildly, if not laughably overstated. And the executions were not carried out by the Church, but the state. Compared to the ridiculous assertions that have grown over time, the actual number of executions was a mere handful.


17 posted on 04/09/2010 10:00:06 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Batrachian

What was wrong with the Crusades?


33 posted on 04/09/2010 1:14:24 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Let tyrants shake their iron rod, and slavery clank her galling chains)
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