Posted on 04/09/2010 6:48:50 AM PDT by raptor22
I think the simplest way to make the point is voting Dem is more important than Christ for a majority of Catholics now. Believers are now in the minority of the Church. As Glen Beck so aptly speaks of, SOCIAL JUSTICE, is now the mantra of the Catholic Church. History being what it is, then, America should end up as a 3rd world country, aka South or Central America. The masses of Catholics will now support robbing from the rich to redistribute to the poor and believe they are doing God's Will. This is how it has been done for 100 years down there. It is not Christianity, but Marxism. Jesus was not a commie. The Church has/will become an arm of a Marxist government. We left Europe to get away from Kings aligned with the Church.
This is why I'm so animated about this. I'm not griping about some public figure embarrassing the Church, but a realignment of the hierarchy of the body of the Church. A previous poster says we now have a majority of conservative Bishops. If that is the case, we should see something fixed in the near future. One thing. ANYTHING!
I doubt that anything changes, but would be the first to say I was wrong if it happens. It's really not up to me anymore. The Church must cleanse itself if it is ever possible. Personally, I'm not going to wait much longer. I have waited for decades and it's only gotten worse. I have to move on with my faith and walk with Christ. If the Church doesn't want to help me do that, I have to follow Christ, not a denomination. Catholics think they are right, Baptists think they are right, Lutherans believe that also, but ALL denominations are going through some sort of trial. If the Catholic Church fails to follow the Will of God, what is the use in saying you are Catholic? I see dissatisfaction everywhere. Many Denominations are broken and searching for something else. Why did the Anglicans come home? Why are others splitting their churches? They are all looking for something less political and more Biblical. Catholics are very loyal. I fear they may be too loyal. Are we losing sight of the commission God has given us just to keep pews full? Biden, Pelosi, Kerry, and many others should be gone this week. I bet that doesn't happen and the money and power will continue to shift from Catholic charities to abortion mills and other satanic causes.
I agree that chuckles post at #11 was heartfelt, sincere and honest. I responded with what I felt was respect, acknowlegement of valid points and “IMO perspective”. I do wonder if chuckles felt he was the recipient of accusations of “biogtry and bashing” on this thread. I don’t see any and certainly don’t believe that any were intended.
At Vatican II the Catholic Church opted to phenomenologically reconfigure itself by emphasizing social justice rather than otherworldly salvation.
The document Gaudium et Spes said that the members of the Catholic Church must work to promote social justice, economic equity, political freedom and international peace.
No one should be surprised that Vatican II attracted men like Pfleger to the seminary, and that the Church ordained them.
You are not alone. Have faith and work for the good. I am doing the same in my diocese. There is still love in the world. Despair is the weapon of despite. The lord of this world uses it even more than he does terror.
Outstanding post! Bless You for writing this!
Also ,Chuckles,try reading what the Catholic Church ACTUALLY teaches and not judging the whole Church based on grave sinful behavior of people who call themselves Catholic Christians who do NOT follow ACTUAL historical Church teachings that are Anti Abortion Anti homosexual and other grave sin etc...
No, not on THIS thread. I have before, but frankly, this particular thread has the MOST support I've ever had. When I first started to gripe about the Church government ignoring, and out and out rebellion against much of the dogma the Church allegedly supports, I was attacked almost universally by Catholics as a Basher. It was almost akin to griping about Obama and the only reason I could possibly have to oppose his policies was that I was a racist. The Church seems to have a short fuse with complaints. Many thought I was griping about my local church,...not true. If I have a problem locally, I say so and have had pretty good results.
Having said all that, the Church at large is IMHO in disarray and needs to address at least a few of the glaring problems to remain credible as a world religion. If the World Church preaches pro life, then what is the world to think if you have people that are right out front rebelling against the Church. ( I use abortion as a touch stone for almost any conflict in the Church because it is the most glaring, but there are many other issues that need to be addressed by openly anti Catholic, Catholics.) If gay marriage is your issue, fine, we can use that also. There are many conflicts in the Church that could be argued from Latin Mass to fish on Friday, I don't care. But the belief that life comes from God and is sacred, for me at least is beyond argument. If you don't agree with that, then find another denomination. I understand arguing over married priests, women priests, and other discussions within the church, but abortion arguments? I don't "get" that much disagreement in the doctrine. We have politicians with ash on their foreheads, on TV that have voted to murder babies. Why is their no price to pay for that? I can't insist that the Church "do something" to these people. It's above my pay grade.
I have been encouraged, frankly, by FR Catholics agreeing with me to a certain extent. It is a start, but the bigger picture IMO, is the MAJORITY of Catholics lean more to the Phleger side. The only way I can see that happening is the pulpit is preaching error and it is accepted.
As far as me and FR, I'm a big boy and understand people will disagree from time to time and sometimes it gets disagreeable. If it bothered me, I could always post my opus. I find FR people funny, smart, and serious. Some have been "mean" to me, but that is mostly because I can't spell. Religion is a tough issue, but so is politics. Guess what we talk about here on FR? Most of my posts are just rants to vent frustrations, but I learn more here in 10 minutes than all day surfing elsewhere. One thing I can always count on here is if you look at someone needing help, the posts come in faster than I can refresh my screen.
Many thanks. It is not original with me (at least not in its original form). But I find it to be absolutely true. The accuser does not care which of his weapons work, he only has to have one of them work.
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