There's a reason it hasn't been determined legally. Justice Antonin Scalia writes: 
Posted on 03/31/2010 6:36:03 AM PDT by kingattax
After 230 years, are the American people coursing toward eventual divorce?
Our polarized society increasingly ponders what would happen if American conservatives and liberals simply agreed that their differences had become irreconcilable, and redivided the nation to go their separate ways.
Which side would prosper and experience an influx of migration from the other? Conversely, which side would likely become a fiscal and socio-political basket case?
Any reasonable person already knows the likely answer. One need only compare the smoldering wreckage wrought by liberal governance in such states as California or Michigan with the comparative prosperity created by conservative governance in such states as Texas or Utah.
We can also examine the past 400 years, during which immigrants abandoned Europe for an America founded upon the fundamental principles of limited government and individual freedom.
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“It’s truly about slavery this time.
Our slavery to the state.”
That’s all it is.
I read that to prohibit import from Africa; do you have any historical references to suggest otherwise, other than subtle nuances of timing over what state was part of which alliance at what time?
That is, to the best of my understanding, what happened in this country in the aftermath of the Rev War.
Loyalists either sat down and shut up (if they hadn't pissed-off the neighbors too badly), or moved to Canada/England.
Unless we worked out a deal with Vancouver, BC and the Canadian-Pacific railway.
“However, it could never properly rule on whether THE RIGHT TO SECESSION is legal, since it is a natural right.”
“Then call it what is it, a God given right to rebel and change your government. Don’t pretend it’s legal and try to cloak it in the rule of law.”
Natural rights become the basis for law.
I hope it does not come to that, but do you suupose it could be agreed upon by both sides here? If it did, what would stop the liberal side from becoming more conservative, and vice versa? If this happens, would they all be back to square one?
The claim was made that the confederate constitution specifically prohibited slave imports. It did not. In theory slave imports from Africa and countries other than the U.S. were banned. In practice they almost certainly would have continued, as they did prior to the rebellion.
Yes, I was just thinking. thanks
Then the first thing you will have to do is Nationalize those oil fields to get the thieving Yankee’s hands off your resources.
I doubt if Gas in Chicago would go up to $20 a gallon but it certainly would go up a little. Don´t forget the rest of America will need less having got rid of several states.
So the government has no right to put down any rebellion or insurrection, since all the rebels have to do is announce "we're exerting our natural rights."
I also believe that we are coming to “S” -— because I for one will live free or die, and I know I am not alone.
I may be 100% wrong, but I do not think that the federal government can set the military against the citizens now, either, because the military ain’t stupid and they as individuals see what is going on as well.
I see the left and the right as so diametrically opposite that I can’t imagine any compromise between the two.
Either you approve of killing the preborn, or you oppose it -— there is no middle ground, alive is alive, and dead is dead, period!
Either there is personal responsibility and decisions have consequences, or there is a cradle to grave government safety net without accountability.
Either you are a law abiding individual who wants just laws that are equally enforced across the board, or you are a lawless individual who only wants the laws enforced against people you don’t like and don’t agree with, while giving a pass to certain “protected classes”.
I could go on and on, but the divisions are as stark as binary code -— you are either -0- or -1-, either “yes” or “no” -— there is no “other” or middle choice on so many issues, fronts, and choices ———>
IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES.
the CSA should never have attacked Fort Sumter or the supply ships. How well do you think Castro would have done if they decided to attack Gitmo.
the cedeing back of USA forts to Southern States would have happened eventually over the course of decades....there was no need to attack.
I am all for dividing the country - north and south. We are so divided already. The south keeps the military.
How will you feel when our newest citizens are granted the vote following amnesty, thus pretty much guaranteeing a democratic party majority for the foreseeable future?
There's a reason it hasn't been determined legally. Justice Antonin Scalia writes:
Unfortunately due to demographics, the South (and especially Texas) are probably the worst place to be. Virginia and North Carolina going blue last election are just the beginning. Any secession there would be pointless as they would be right back to where they started if not worse in a generation or two.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maps_of_American_ancestries
But on the flip side, if secession talk ever got really serious, the economy and dollar would collapse and all these liberal "groups" would then turn on each other in one big bloodbath first.
I couldn’t have said it better.
I’d consider dual citizenship. LOL
I’m beyond pondering. I’m ready to get started.
Imagine...
* No IRS
* Fewer federal mandates.
* God and prayer welcome in the public square again.
* No ACLU
* A pro-business, pro-capitalist environment that champions growth, jobs and wealth.
* Common-sense care of the environment minus the extremism of zealots.
* Serious attempts to control our borders, not mere lip service.
IMO, Washington is broken, the welfare state is broken and the premises of some Supreme Court decisions has damaged some of the principles of the Constitution beyond repair. We need to start over but we need to create a worldview where the welfare/freeloader class doesn’t have the same voting strength as the working/investing/producing class.
I believe this can be done and as the America we used to love slides deeper into debt and socialism, right-thinking people need to break free from it before it sucks us all under.
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