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Utah governor signs bills to seize federal land
ap ^ | March 28, 2010

Posted on 03/28/2010 7:56:28 PM PDT by george76

Two measures OKd by Gov. Gary R. Herbert would allow use of eminent domain to take valuable sites. A long court fight is likely.

Supporters hope the bills, which the Republican governor signed Saturday, will trigger a flood of similar legislation throughout the West and, eventually, a U.S. Supreme Court battle that it hopes to win -- against long odds.

More than 60% of Utah is owned by the U.S. government, and policy makers complain that federal ownership hinders their ability to generate tax revenue and adequately fund public schools...

Initially, the state would target three areas, including the Kaiparowits plateau in Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument, which is home to large coal reserves...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; anthracite; coal; eminent; eminentdomain; energy; government; kelo; land; landrights; naturalresources; statesovereignity; statesrights; waste
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To: george76

The federal government shouldn’t be allowed to own any land outside of Washington DC. Anything else it has a legitimate need for, it should lease from states or private parties. There’s absolutely no reason a major military base can’t be run on land held under a long term lease from the state it’s located in.


61 posted on 03/28/2010 11:49:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: editor-surveyor

BTTT


62 posted on 03/29/2010 2:57:55 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: NVDave

Then there’s this vein of black oil shale which also contains uranium ~ runs down the middle of Indiana. About 200 miles North to South, and 50 miles wide.


63 posted on 03/29/2010 4:38:17 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah
"...The redesignation of the low-sulfur coalfields is the issue you're talking about ~ not Saudi intrigue...."

I respectfully disagree to a point - I think it is a little of both.

64 posted on 03/29/2010 5:52:36 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: george76

Gary Herbert is an awesome Governor. He would be a great National politician. He is great at speaking ‘off the cuff.’ Oh yes, and he is conservative!


65 posted on 03/29/2010 5:59:51 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: muawiyah

There’s also a whole lot of natural gas under New York.

If we were to have a weird tectonic movement though, don’t come to visit. All of that plus lava = no more New York.


66 posted on 03/29/2010 6:06:11 AM PDT by wastedyears (The essence of training is to allow error without consequence.)
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To: george76
Utah governor signs bills to seize federal land

Go UTAH! :-)

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Prudence, indeed, will dictate, that governments established by compact should not be changed for light or transient causes; but should a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evince a design in any one of the confederates to usurp a dominion over the rest; or, if those who are entrusted to administer the government, which the confederates have for their mutual convenience established, should manifest a design to invade their sovereignty, and extend their own power beyond the terms of compact, to the detriment of the states respectively, and to reduce them to a state of obedience, and finally to establish themselves in a state of permanent superiority, it then becomes not only the right, but the duty of the states respectively, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.[60]
View of the Constitution of the United States / Preliminary Remarks / Section XIII

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From St. George Tucker, Northwestern University Law Review

Largely forgotten today, Tucker returned to some legal prominence last Term, when the majority in District of Columbia v. Heller cited his annotated Blackstone’s Commentaries as proof that the Second Amendment had originally been understood as an individual right to arms.

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Tucker's View of the Constitution is part of his annotated Blackstone's Commentaries written in 1803.

I encourage anyone who is interested in original intent to read it. It was a booklet distributed at the request of and with the approval of Congress specifically to explain the newly created Constitution to the People.

67 posted on 03/29/2010 6:31:30 AM PDT by MamaTexan (NO ONE owes allegiance to an unconstitutional government)
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To: george76

“And 20 years later we always look back and agree that conservation was a wise idea.”

What you mean “We”, CommieBoy?


68 posted on 03/29/2010 8:06:08 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: george76

I could swear the federal government was prohibited from owning lands outside of DC. How the Hell does it own significant portions of the West?


69 posted on 03/29/2010 8:56:18 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: SierraWasp

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I was in no way trying to diminish their impact elsewhere!

You are correct; the tyrants are in our shorts deeply.
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70 posted on 03/29/2010 9:01:17 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Issaquahking
Obama's state is owned by BIG CORN ~ particularly the part that wants to use bioengineering to turn BIG CORN into BIG PHARMA.

They also have more than their fair share of the Mob.

71 posted on 03/29/2010 9:37:53 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: CodeToad
In the days of Thomas Jefferson the government ended up owning over half the land in the United States. SEE: Louisiana Purchase.

This was a big issue "way back when". Part of the problem had been the question of turning on a former Revolutionary War ally, Spain, to acquire more land. Napoleon solved the problem by seizing Spain, and then selling off Louisiana.

In the meantime, after Napoleon, the Mexicans rebelled against Spain and tried to claim control of former Spanish land claims in the West that actually overlaid former English land claims in the same aras (The Sea to Sea claim deal).

The US extinguished the Mexican land claims, took the property, sold off fertile areas in California, etc., and ended up owning a whole lotta' desert.

Utah is an anomaly. A substantial body of settlers moved there prior to "organization" and set up their own government. Later on the territory was organized, and this led to statehood.

If you'd like we can go back to the days when the Brits were buying Indian land claims prior to organizing territory to subdivide and sell to new settlers (in what is now the East). Jefferson, et al, had actually conducted their war against the Brits, in part, to put an end to the deal where the government paid off Indians with little claim to the land, and delayed settlement until those Indians accepted the money.

In the end, Jefferson and his friends found themselves adopting the British policy. Federalists in New York went a step further and declared all the Indians to be white people. They then seized all allied Indian owned land on the grounds that white people were not allowed to own Indian land. They then sold the land to illegal alien immigrants.

Yes, the federal government can own land, sell land, buy land, give away land ~ and so can the state governments.

72 posted on 03/29/2010 9:46:56 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: redhead

Notice that Texas which was admitted the same time as California (to balance the number of free/slave states) is not on that list. Texas has almost no federal land.


73 posted on 03/29/2010 11:12:43 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: maine-iac7

Many western states ceded land to the gov’t for the “benefit” of being in the Union. Texas somehow escaped that deal. The rest should have held out too.


74 posted on 03/29/2010 11:44:42 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: george76

Good move.


75 posted on 03/29/2010 11:58:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: muawiyah
Certainly any state can give better attention to it's own land than can a remote federal agency.

Current Admistration will certainly fight that....doesn't seem to be true relative to your healthcare.

76 posted on 03/29/2010 12:00:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: scrabblehack

CNBC has been running specials on the pot growing in California ...mainly by Mexican Drug Organizations.


77 posted on 03/29/2010 12:03:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Frankly all this regime wants to do is take a good close look at the inside of my intestinal tract ~ but that’s their problem, not mine. They get too close they will definitely get in trouble.


78 posted on 03/29/2010 12:07:35 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: ForGod'sSake

Ping your list for Jeff Head, please!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2481989/posts


79 posted on 03/29/2010 12:21:08 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Notice that Texas which was admitted the same time as California (to balance the number of free/slave states) is not on that list. Texas has almost no federal land.

No but they did have to give up what is today the entire state of New Mexico. And they were none too happy about it at the time.
80 posted on 03/29/2010 12:24:57 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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