Posted on 03/14/2010 2:56:12 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
Via Doug Ross: In the Slaughter Solution, the rule would declare that the House “deems” the Senate version of Obamacare to have been passed by the House. House members would still have to vote on whether to accept the rule, but they would then be able to say they only voted for a rule, not for the bill itself. Thus, Slaughter is preparing a rule that would consider the Senate bill “passed” once the House approves a corrections bill that would make changes. Democrats would thereby avoid a direct vote on the health care bill while allowing it to become law! Constitutional attorney Mark R. Levin asks, “They’re going to present a rule, issued by her committee as chairman, that says that the House already adopted the Senate bill when we know it didn’t?” U.S Constitution, Article I, Section VII, Clause II. Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively… According to Levin, James Madison himself gave special care and attention to this clause in the Constitution. Levin: And do you want to know why? Because this clause goes to the heart of this Republic. This clause goes to the heart of how our representative body, that is Congress, makes laws. And so I want you to [observe] how particular the Framers were… They have to pass a Bill to present it to the President… This is one of the most exacting clauses in the Constitution. And, to the best of my knowledge, which extends over three decades, no Congress has previously tried to institute policies without actual statutes. Here we have the President of the United States and Congressional leaders actually talking about the possibility of a brazen and open violation of one of the most fundamental aspects of our Constitution and Republic! How we actually make laws! Let me be as clear as I know how. If this is done, this will create the greatest Constitutional crisis since the Civil War. It would be 100 times worse than Watergate. …It would be government by fiat… meaning there would be no law… the mere discussion by officials in this government is such a grotesque violation of the actual legislative function of Congress [that it] puts us… at the brink. At the brink. This is why we conservatives revere the Constitution. This is why we stress the Constitution’s words have meaning and historical context and must be complied with. Because otherwise we have anarchy, which leads to tyranny. This is a crucial lesson for those of you who… aren’t sure what your beliefs are, or if you have any beliefs. Or aren’t sure if you even care. We have an effort underway by the one of the most powerful chairmen in Congress, the woman who heads the Rules Committee, …openly discussing gutting Congress. Gutting Congress.
Yes, the Democrats may suffer historic electoral losses this November if they ram Obamacare through, but once it's indeed passed into law, it will do (possible) irreparable harm to our economy and to our health care system in general.
I have no doubt that the next congress can do some things to clip the wings of Obamacare, and mitigate the potential damage to the country, but between now and November, there's no telling what other republic-breaking measures they'll also pass.
Frankly, I'm not really sure what the response will be if Obamacare passes. It might well be the thing that finally sparks a real uprising in America. Perhaps passage of Obamacare will just cause the Tea Parties to multiply and amplify. It's really anyone's guess.
One thing's certain, and that is, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are pushing millions of American citizens to the breaking point. I don't believe they're smart enough to know when to ease off. They'll push right past the breaking point without the slightest notice.
I believe you are more right than you even know. For most of my adult life very very few people could keep up with me when the talk turned to politics. They simply didn't have enough knowledge or understanding to argue. Many times I sensed I could sort them out even if I were wrong about the the matter under discussion.
The other day (and not for the first time in recent months) two of the usual regular guys but political ignoramuses turn the talk to current political events AND THEY ARE SHOCKINGLY WELL VERSED IN MANY OF THE STATS AND INSIGHTS THAT FREEPERS TEND TO HAVE COMMAND OF. They're reeling off constitutional arguments and insights that would have glazed their eyes two years ago. They have in their heads reams of stats on the tax rates/laws etc, porkulus etc. I was reduced to saying “yep” and “that's about it” and “I agree”. It was kinda’ nice and extremely surprising. And oh yeah, I noticed a god portion of these types are self employed.
People are waking up when I, a long time pontificator and bloviator and general rabid fumer am reduced to monosyllabls..
Constitutional attorney Mark R. Levin: U.S Constitution, Article I, Section VII, Clause II... goes to the heart of this Republic. This clause goes to the heart of how our representative body, that is Congress, makes laws. And so I want you to [observe] how particular the Framers were... They have to pass a Bill to present it to the President... This is one of the most exacting clauses in the Constitution. And, to the best of my knowledge, which extends over three decades, no Congress has previously tried to institute policies without actual statutes. Here we have the President of the United States and Congressional leaders actually talking about the possibility of a brazen and open violation of one of the most fundamental aspects of our Constitution and Republic! ...If this is done, this will create the greatest Constitutional crisis since the Civil War. It would be 100 times worse than Watergate... It would be government by fiat... meaning there would be no law... the mere discussion by officials in this government is such a grotesque violation of the actual legislative function of Congress [that it] puts us... at the brink. At the brink... This is a crucial lesson for those of you who... aren't sure what your beliefs are, or if you have any beliefs. Or aren't sure if you even care. We have an effort underway by the one of the most powerful chairmen in Congress, the woman who heads the Rules Committee, ...openly discussing gutting Congress. Gutting Congress.The difference between the Constitution and those who want to gut it is, the Constitution will outlive them. Thanks BarnacleCenturion.
“... once it’s indeed passed into law, it will do (possible) irreparable harm to our economy and to our health care system in general. ...”
The “benefits” don’t take affect until years later. That gives us time.
“... between now and November, there’s no telling what other republic-breaking measures they’ll also pass. ...”
Momentum against them is snowballing, and election pressures are already beginning to kick in.
“It’s really anyone’s guess.”
We have them in a stranglehold right now. Added tyranny will make it worse for them. So it would be difficult to see them squirming free now, no matter how some on our side might behave.
“One thing’s certain, and that is, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are pushing millions of American citizens to the breaking point. I don’t believe they’re smart enough to know when to ease off.”
I agree. The Roman senate was the same way.
The only thing the Slaughter Solution does is “hide” who voted for this. It doesnt hide anything. Dems are toast either ways. We are not stupid.
I would hate to be a congressman after going along with this brazen violation of law and contempt for our constitution. I would get a body guard.
>>>> "The left is cracking at the seams. Even "birther" is turning mainstream:
60+ Lawmakers 7 States Tell Obama; if you want on 2012 ballot, RELEASE THE RECORDS!
You know, I hope that they go for this because there will be an injunction on a federal judge’s desk before the ink is dry on the bill. I am confident that there are very, very few judges who would even attempt to declare that this tactic comes anywhere close to meeting constitutional muster.
Stopping these bastards is probably going to have to come to force of arms.
This is all kind of academic. A few months ago it was bailing out the banking industry to the tune of $1 trillion. Then it was bailing out the auto industry. This week it’s socialized medicine. Next week it’ll be cap and tax. This an addiction to spending fueled by ever increasing debt. The demand isn’t going to abate until there is no more to be spent.
Demand based solutions aren’t going to work. No junkie comes clean unless he/she has to. We need to start looking at supply side solutions. We need to cut their supply of money. The irony here is that conservatives are enabling this.
Own savings bonds? T-bills? GNMAs? Are they the underlying investment in your money market account or 401(k)? If the answer is yes, then you’re subsidizing this just as surely as if you had scratched a check.
Sor0bama/Pelosi/Reid Democrat Hellcare—leads to => Regulations that permit the government to “REMOVE YOUR BODY PARTS and/or ORGANS” per Cass Sunstein, even without your permission—leads to => Kerry/Graham Sor0bama’s RealID chip, so everyone knows everything about your all the time (It’s even called sCHIP, for the children, anyway).
Call it what it is. People are not people before 2 or after 40, or, maybe 50, so, you’ll be dead before it kicks in: The Democrat Solution.
Before that, however, there must be ‘change.’ You know, struggle.
And struggle is Jihad.
Hathout concluded that jihad, as projected in the Koran, is not a single concept.
“It’s a range of activities all based on the Arabic meaning of the word ‘exerted effort.’”
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1023_031023_jihad.html
That is a great, great graphic.
It does make one wonder how many people are truly awake to this possibility.
Because that's the year Republicans used the so-called Slaughter Solution, known more commonly as the self-executing rule, to adopt a bill involving over $1 trillion dollars.
Here's the link.
Ain't nothing new in Washington.
I'm pointing out past Republican use of the Slaughter solution so people will de-stress a little bit. Be angry about Obamacare, but don't let the pundits screw with your head!
That and freing up funds for ACORN, even oveerturning a Congressional vote with a Judicial decision, has had to have some effect on firearm and ammunition sales out there, on both sides of the line.
His "private security force".
ping for later read
They can not supend the physics of ballistics.
Anyone who votes for the Slaughter rule has no purpose to do so other than to enact Obamacare. To do so is not only a presumed vote for Obamacare, but an affront to the Constitution and every Citizen of this Republic.
We all need to tell them that.
Pelosi must have the votes if they are ready to move this out.
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