More Democrats come out against health care bill [Four from KY, IL, SD and NC]

CNN ^ | March 12, 2010 | Charles Riley and Jeff Simon

[2ndDivisionVet]

As House Democratic leaders advised their members Friday to prepare for a legislative battle over health care that could stretch through next weekend, four additional rank-and-file Democrats have come out against the Obama administration's signature domestic priority.

Reps. Ben Chandler of Kentucky, Luiz Gutierrez of Illinois, Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin of South Dakota and Heath Shuler of North Carolina say they will vote against their party's health care plan, which may be headed to a final vote late next week.

"At this time, I am a 'no' vote on health care," said Gutierrez in a written statement. "It's no secret that I have been critical of proposals that would exclude our nation's hardworking immigrants from the health care exchange, and I would find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to vote for any measure that denies undocumented workers health care purchased with their own dollars."

According to an ongoing CNN survey, 21 House Democrats have now indicated they will vote against the Senate bill when it comes to the floor, though six of those members say they would consider voting for it if it were significantly modified. Opponents of the bill need a total of 38 Democrats to vote against the measure to ensure its defeat, assuming that all Republican members remain unified in their opposition.

Some members made clear that their votes are not negotiable. Josh Taylor, a spokesman for Texas Rep. Chet Edwards, told CNN the congressman "voted 'no' on health care the first time around and will vote 'no' the second."

Proponents of the health care plan need 216 votes in order to pass the Senate plan. As of Friday, no Republicans said they would vote in favor of the bill, which would mean Democratic leaders must rely solely on votes from its own members.(continued)

[Man50D]

This is not a surprise and doesn’t change a thing considering they all voted no on health care for the last vote in the House. The difference will be those who voted yes the last switching to a no vote.

[GUNGAGALUNGA]

Heath voted yes the first time. Bob Ethridge did too. Called his office yesterday. I think he is a no this time. He doesnt want abortion funding. I know his constits dont either.

[PghBaldy]

Someone here since 2000? I don’t think so, unless a sleeper agent ;)

[combat_boots]

Pelosi’s ‘keeping them after school’ if necessary, so they have to sit and OBEY.

Submit to the will of Sor0bama/Reid/Pelosi, or have Emmanuel, the messenter, deliver fingers in your chest, dead fish in your beds, sudden retirements, incriminating pix on your windshields or something else far worse for your families.

THEY.
DON’T.
CARE.

[RGSpincich]

At this time, I am a 'no' vote on health care," said Gutierrez in a written statement. "It's no secret that I have been critical of proposals that would exclude our nation's hardworking immigrants from the health care exchange, and I would find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to vote for any measure that denies undocumented workers health care purchased with their own dollars."

All the right moves for all the wrong reasons.

[PghBaldy]

One of the most annoying things about this is the Dems supposedly “sincerely” believe that The Repubs won in 1994 because HillaryCare failed. That is part of the reason they try so hard now. They misread the public then, just as they do now. Their ideology blinds them.

[Man50D]

Heath voted yes the first time.

Shuler voted yes on the Stupak Amendment but no on health care.

[fivecatsandadog]

"It's no secret that I have been critical of proposals that would exclude our nation's hardworking immigrants from the health care exchange, and I would find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to vote for any measure that denies undocumented workers health care purchased with their own dollars."

Hardworking immigrants? = ILLEGAL ALIENS

Undocumented workers? = ILLEGAL ALIENS

It's obvious now that this health care bill is a prerequisite to the immigration "reform". These a-holes are getting soft with the ILLEGALS. Purchased with their "own dollars"? Is this guy kidding? OBAMA SHOULD BE AGAINST THIS. But we don't want him signing an across-the-board EO to push the rest of the crap through!

[fivecatsandadog]

yup.

[Son House]

Yes, and they also said some CONgress members haven’t even seen the bill yet

[reg45]

"At this time, I am a 'no' vote on health care," said Gutierrez in a written statement. "It's no secret that I have been critical of proposals that would exclude our nation's hardworking immigrants from the health care exchange, and I would find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to vote for any measure that denies undocumented workers health care purchased with their own dollars."

If they have actually purchased it (in the form of a private insurance policy or a cash payment) they will have health care.

Gutierrez is just another LIAR talking out of both sides of his mouth.

[tobyhill]

The House Rats know that they can't trust the Senate and rightfully so. The vote the House will take is the Senate Bill so why would the Senate Rats really want to change their bill later? Just like the abortion part of the bill couldn't be changed in reconciliation, there will be many other portions that can't be changed.

BTW, even though the Pro-Life Democrats in the the House will vote no, they should still be tossed out because if not for their first yes vote this bill would have already been dead in the water.

[RKBA Democrat]

You know what I find jst unbelievable? The fact that so many folks are talking about extreme measures when there are so many less extreme yet effective measures that are not even being talked about.

Let me suggest just one: conservatives join the Democratic party and challenge liberals in the primaries.

Most seats change hands as the result of primary elections not general elections; gerrymandering has done a pretty job of making most seats “safe” for one party or the other.

Bella Pelosi is never going to lose her seat to a Republican. It just ain’t gonna happen. And if a Republican runs against her, she simply ignores the challenge, secure in the knowldege that in her district, there is little chance that a Republican will win.

The same cannot be said of a Democratic challenger. She would be forced to run something of an election challenge, depending on how formidable the challenge was. And here is the key point: it’s not so important that the conservative “Democrat” challenger win, it’s important that they run a just credible enough challenge to force her to spend significant resources to fight the challenge.

The Libertarians do a great job of running a reasonably credible campaign on a shoestring. And that’s all you really need to do: spend a little and make Nancy (or the leftist nutjob of choice) and their supporters spend lots more of *their* money. Just for example purposes, the cost of running a credible campaign for the House of Delegates here in VA is about $100K. It goes up exponentially for Congress.

But that doesn’t really get to the nut of the issue. All this talk of grabbing a rifle and such is really just preening and posturing amounting to nothing. As I learned many years ago in gun politics, the folks who would say “they’ll take my gun out of my cold dead hand” were really saying “I want to sit on my ass and let someone else do the heavy lifting.” And the irony is, if it really came down to a confiscation scenario, you can bet that these same “patriots” would show up two hours early to turn in their guns so as to beat the crowds.

[reg45]

they should change the name from the Obamacare bill to the Undeadcare Bill

How about the SoonToBeDeadCare bill?

[italianquaker]

Nobody believe the Ap. The rats are falling quicker then odumbos historic low approval ratings

[Son House]

And nothing became of the televised Obama ‘Health Care Insurance Reform Summit’, it was an act to fake out the folks and pass the old bill anyhow

[mellow velo]

A quick search shows that these 4 all have won their elections handily. They are in "safe" districts, and can possibly vote 'yes' and still retain their seats. Given that, they know that their 'yes' votes are critical so that Pelosi can give cover to other Dems who need to vote 'no' for political cover. All Pelosi's handlers (she's too stupid on her own) are doing now is rearranging the deck. These Dems are just holding out for bigger "incentives".

Prior election results: Gutierrez - 80.6% in '08, 85.8% in '06

Shuler - 62% in '08

Herseth-Sandlin - 68% in '08, 69% in '06

Chandler - 65% in '08, 85.5% in '06 (after the Republican withdrew)

Threats &/or bribes are the means thugs use to get their way, however long it takes.

[italianquaker]

DING DING DING, give this poster a cigar

[Son House]

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[proudofthesouth]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100313/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_overhaul_special_deals

According to the AP its because Zero “says he wants projects helping specific states yanked from the health care bill Congress is writing. Democratic senators, being senators, beg to differ.”