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More Democrats come out against health care bill [Four from KY, IL, SD and NC]
CNN ^ | March 12, 2010 | Charles Riley and Jeff Simon

Posted on 03/12/2010 8:40:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

As House Democratic leaders advised their members Friday to prepare for a legislative battle over health care that could stretch through next weekend, four additional rank-and-file Democrats have come out against the Obama administration's signature domestic priority.

Reps. Ben Chandler of Kentucky, Luiz Gutierrez of Illinois, Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin of South Dakota and Heath Shuler of North Carolina say they will vote against their party's health care plan, which may be headed to a final vote late next week.

"At this time, I am a 'no' vote on health care," said Gutierrez in a written statement. "It's no secret that I have been critical of proposals that would exclude our nation's hardworking immigrants from the health care exchange, and I would find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to vote for any measure that denies undocumented workers health care purchased with their own dollars."

According to an ongoing CNN survey, 21 House Democrats have now indicated they will vote against the Senate bill when it comes to the floor, though six of those members say they would consider voting for it if it were significantly modified. Opponents of the bill need a total of 38 Democrats to vote against the measure to ensure its defeat, assuming that all Republican members remain unified in their opposition.

Some members made clear that their votes are not negotiable. Josh Taylor, a spokesman for Texas Rep. Chet Edwards, told CNN the congressman "voted 'no' on health care the first time around and will vote 'no' the second."

Proponents of the health care plan need 216 votes in order to pass the Senate plan. As of Friday, no Republicans said they would vote in favor of the bill, which would mean Democratic leaders must rely solely on votes from its own members.(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; US: Kentucky; US: North Carolina; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: 111th; abortion; congress; democrats; healthcare; illinois; kentucky; liberalfascism; northcarolina; obamacare; prolife; reconciliation; socialism; socialisthealthcare; socializedmedicine; southdakota
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To: pctech

I guess we will have to put a steak through it’s heart to kill it once and for all!!!!


61 posted on 03/13/2010 1:04:37 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: browniexyz

An ammenment has been drawn to require congressional leaders all accept the same insurance as citizens have to.


62 posted on 03/13/2010 1:12:13 AM PST by caww
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shuler is finally feeling the heat. That’s ok, he voted for cap n tax, so he has revealed himself. This will not redeem him for me, but of course, i did not vote for him anyway.


63 posted on 03/13/2010 2:17:32 AM PST by momincombatboots (Semper Fi to my dear headed to Afghanistan, my friend in Iraq & friend in Korea. Love u all!)
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To: xzins

old pro-America Democratic Party....has been dead for generations. One chooses to stand with todays Democrats or not. Todays registered Democrats are every bit the enemy as any we have faced in the past.

This country is inching towards civil war daily...and its time people take notice.


64 posted on 03/13/2010 2:26:35 AM PST by rrrod
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More DemocRATS hold out for a bigger bribe.


65 posted on 03/13/2010 2:32:26 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why should Democrat congresspeople flock to ObamaCare like sheep? They can sell their vote for campaign money, contracts for their cronies, earmarks for their district, junkets to Europe and Asia, and even a suitcase of cash in the dead of night.
66 posted on 03/13/2010 3:12:45 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We keep hearing the Dems call for bi-partisanship. Well, you don’t have to look too far to find it! We should be hearing more about the bi-partisan makeup of the OPPOSITION!


67 posted on 03/13/2010 3:30:18 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it's ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: Fiddlstix

I don’t believe that for a second. If they had the votes it would be signed by the Kenyan by now.


68 posted on 03/13/2010 3:31:41 AM PST by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: SeattleBruce

If they vote it will pass. If they don’t have the votes they will not vote.
Thats why its so amusing to see headlines for the past 3 months of Pelosi saying she has the votes yet no vote is ever taken. Its reported by one media outlet or another on a daily basis.


69 posted on 03/13/2010 3:35:36 AM PST by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: Lancey Howard; 2ndDivisionVet
"...that denies undocumented workers health care purchased with their own dollars."

"It doesn't make sense."

Because, more than likely, it's a lie. I am sure the illegals will get free HC or be able to buy it. It's a lie composed to make those opposed to this rotten bill look evil.

You have to remember who Gutierrez is. He plain and simply wants to make every mexican a U.S. citizen so they can start milking the cow.

70 posted on 03/13/2010 3:39:15 AM PST by raybbr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Luis Gutierrez is opposed to the bill because he complains it does not do enough for illegals. Gutierrez is an ethnic bigot of the first order.


71 posted on 03/13/2010 3:51:47 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

“There will be consequences.”

One hopes that is so.


72 posted on 03/13/2010 3:52:57 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Empireoftheatom48

“I wish I was younger would like to march against these ass4oles!!”

Well, I’ll be 60 next year, and I sure as hell consider myself young enough.


73 posted on 03/13/2010 3:56:09 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are free to come out against it now since they intend to use that Slaughter rule.

This is their way of trying to save their own skin.

they need to be booted.


74 posted on 03/13/2010 3:56:10 AM PST by dforest
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To: rrrod

“This country is inching towards civil war daily...and its time people take notice.”

It sure seems that way.


75 posted on 03/13/2010 4:03:40 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: nutmeg
In August, just to remind everyone, I said this was a done deal. I'm extremely pleased to be wrong . . . so far.

They're holding out for more special deals, pork, bribes, etc.

I doubt this is the case for one reason: in the negotiations they have now STRIPPED the Cornhusker Bailout and the Louisiana Purchase from the bill. So they are moving away from this.

Don't get me wrong: until this is dead, its head cut off and the mouth stuffed with garlic, and a stake through its heart, I won't believe it's over. But these defections are a very, very good sign.

76 posted on 03/13/2010 4:16:56 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

See my post #76, but also note this: many of these want a MORE socialist bill (i.e., health care for illegals, etc). It shouldn’t be hard to bribe or cajole them. They are commies, after all.


77 posted on 03/13/2010 4:18:27 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: wiggen

If Plastic thought she had the votes, the House would have voted by now. No scheduled vote equals not enough ‘yes’ votes for passage.


78 posted on 03/13/2010 4:19:40 AM PST by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: LS

***It shouldn’t be hard to bribe or cajole them. They are commies, after all.***

Watch what they DO - not what they SAY!!!

BUT - if they say; “The fact of the matter is”...OR...”At the end of the day”.

WE ARE SCROOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUED;(


79 posted on 03/13/2010 4:24:07 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: Lancey Howard

He speaketh lies. It is the old straw man argument. The issue is whether or not illegals are paid for by me and you.


80 posted on 03/13/2010 4:30:09 AM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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